An Honor That Bush Is Unlikely to Embrace - Page 13

jallman · 07-10-08, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Southern Belle

He didn't draft anyone into the army. Anybody who goes to the army knows they'll be fighting for their country. It is sad, but someone has to. because some people aren't nice or empathetic so war happens.

If you'll allow me, miss, to step in and give you a piece of advice so you are appropriately armed when you engage one of these: they don't think like we do. They adhere to an entirely different moral structure than we do. Theirs is a mentality that anything goes and that order, structure, and discipline are things to be scoffed at. The whole mindset of these...drones to self indulgence...is that stoicism and character and duty are nothing more than pretenses for some ulterior motive. They don't respect one another or us because they think it is some kind of virtue to have one's ulterior motives laid naked for all to see. Bullying, whining, and throwing hysterics are their methods so there is no need to show any, shall we say, tact. I find them so distasteful and bereft of character that I would rather ally myself with people who are more prolific in showing contempt for me but of much better quality when I find one that does abandon their prejudices. I have found that people like yourself, people of inherent class, kindness and gentility are found on one side of idealogical line and people of lower standards who would fail to give honor to our soldiers for their dedication to people and country before they give dishonor to the man they blame for every ill in their lives, from the war itself to the secret weather machine he uses to cause Katrina. To these less than optomistic citizens, the fallen volunteer is no more than political meat instead of the spirit of honor and bravery that you and I perceive. I just wouldn't argue the war itself with them unless you want to find yourself sorely disappointed in your fellow man.

Doc Howl · 07-10-08, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

If you'll allow me, miss, to step in and give you a piece of advice so you are appropriately armed when you engage one of these: they don't think like we do. They adhere to an entirely different moral structure than we do. Theirs is a mentality that anything goes and that order, structure, and discipline are things to be scoffed at. The whole mindset of these...drones to self indulgence...is that stoicism and character and duty are nothing more than pretenses for some ulterior motive. They don't respect one another or us because they think it is some kind of virtue to have one's ulterior motives laid naked for all to see. Bullying, whining, and throwing hysterics are their methods so there is no need to show any, shall we say, tact. I find them so distasteful and bereft of character that I would rather ally myself with people who are more prolific in showing contempt for me but of much better quality when I find one that does abandon their prejudices. I have found that people like yourself, people of inherent class, kindness and gentility are found on one side of idealogical line and people of lower standards who would fail to give honor to our soldiers for their dedication to their people and their country before they give dishonor to the man they blame for every ill in their lives, from the war itself to the secret weather machine he uses to cause Katrina. To these less than optomistic citizens, the fallen volunteer is no more than political meat instead of the spirit of honor and bravery that you and I perceive. I just wouldn't argue the war itself with them unless you want to find yourself sorely disappointed in your fellow man.

That's an amazing strawman you have there.

It's meaty, and yet full of ****!

Doc Howl · 07-10-08, 01:32 AM

Besides, how is objecting to a disgusting misuse of our soldiers "failing to give honor to our soldiers for their dedication to their people and their country"?

independent_thinker2002 · 07-10-08, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

How the **** is it suggesting that we should treat the President like a monarch? Is showing respect for any office monarchical?

I say that because it seems that people take the stance that Bush is part of the Presidential "family". While it isn't a family by blood, it's a family in a fraternal sense. I just don't see how this action hurts Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln's legacy or any future president. The office will have no less power, stature, or influence. I think that people are making this a bigger deal when it's really trivial. A hundred years for now it may be a question on Jeapordy or Trivial Persuit. It's a slight on George W. Bush. To think that it affects every member of the Presidential "family" is why I think that people view it as "monarchical". If you insult one member of the "family", you insult them all. I don't believe that.

independent_thinker2002 · 07-10-08, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Howl

Yeah, Marie Antoinette felt the same way.

I recently heard that she never actually said, "Let them eat cake". The saying was actually coined before her.

winston53660 · 07-10-08, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

I recently heard that she never actually said, "Let them eat cake". The saying was actually coined before her.

She didn't? Ah heck I'll still eat her brains...that is what zombies do right?

Doc Howl · 07-10-08, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

I recently heard that she never actually said, "Let them eat cake". The saying was actually coined before her.

She was 5 when Rousseau wrote it.

Still, it was an accurate description of her indifference to her people.

jallman · 07-10-08, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

I say that because it seems that people take the stance that Bush is part of the Presidential "family". While it isn't a family by blood, it's a family in a fraternal sense. I just don't see how this action hurts Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln's legacy or any future president. The office will have no less power, stature, or influence. I think that people are making this a bigger deal when it's really trivial. A hundred years for now it may be a question on Jeapordy or Trivial Persuit. It's a slight on George W. Bush. To think that it affects every member of the Presidential "family" is why I think that people view it as "monarchical". If you insult one member of the "family", you insult them all. I don't believe that.

Each and every president is an manifestation of our democracy. He serves at the will of the people and even if we find him lacking when he is in office, we still must give our backing to the choice we made. Failure to do so only undermines our image in the rest of the world and it undermines our unity domestically. If we cannot even back the choices we as a people make for the duration we agree upon in his term limit set down by our sacred Constitution, then how can we even be looked at as an honorable and strong people? The man hasn't even left office yet and a bunch of degenerates are already foaming at the mouth to cement his legacy by naming the goddamned **** factory after him. And it's been his whole friggin presidency with this type...gnashing their teach and sputtering in rage that he was our President from the very beginning.

You don't really insult the President when you do things like this. You don't even insult the line of Presidents, all sharing the common trait that each was chosen by his people. You insult the nation, our ideals, and our bonds of citizenship. These people are saying to their fellow Americans and the world, "Not only will America elect what they believe is a failure, but they will ridicule him for being the failure wished for. America is a failure if they can't even choose their representation and honor that choice."

independent_thinker2002 · 07-10-08, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Each and every president is an manifestation of our democracy. He serves at the will of the people and even if we find him lacking when he is in office, we still must give our backing to the choice we made. Failure to do so only undermines our image in the rest of the world and it undermines our unity domestically. If we cannot even back the choices we as a people make for the duration we agree upon in his term limit set down by our sacred Constitution, then how can we even be looked at as an honorable and strong people? The man hasn't even left office yet and a bunch of degenerates are already foaming at the mouth to cement his legacy by naming the goddamned **** factory after him. And it's been his whole friggin presidency with this type...gnashing their teach and sputtering in rage that he was our President from the very beginning.

Yes, it very well may be the equivalent to Clinton's two terms.

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Originally Posted by jallman

You don't really insult the President when you do things like this. You don't even insult the line of Presidents, all sharing the common trait that each was chosen by his people. You insult the nation, our ideals, and our bonds of citizenship. These people are saying to their fellow Americans and the world, "Not only will America elect what they believe is a failure, but they will ridicule him for being the failure wished for. America is a failure if they can't even choose their representation and honor that choice."

I'll bet the majority of the world wishes they could ridicule their leaders in this fashion. I don't even think the world thinks what you claim when assassinations occur. This is trivial compared to that. In fact, the rest of the world very well may applaud this action.

jallman · 07-10-08, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

Yes, it very well may be the equivalent to Clinton's two terms.

I'll bet the majority of the world wishes they could ridicule their leaders in this fashion. I don't even think the world thinks what you claim when assassinations occur. This is trivial compared to that. In fact, the rest of the world very well may applaud this action.

I can't fathom what creates that kind of animosity toward a man we CHOSE as a PEOPLE to put into office. I think Clinton was a degenerate slimeball but I honor his legacy and my fellow citizens by respecting the choice that was made.