Liberal "Patriots" - Page 9

rivrrat · 10-11-07, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

By what should she be judged if not her actions?

By the facts of the case.

That said, I don't think Paula Jones is any 'victim' by any stretch of the word. She's an opportunist.

Stinger · 10-11-07, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

By the facts of the case.

That said, I don't think Paula Jones is any 'victim' by any stretch of the word. She's an opportunist.

What do you base that on? OH that's right you believe it is OK for a government supervisor to bring employees on the job into their office and try to get them to perform sexual acts on them and when they don't to make veiled threats if they tell anyone.

Stinger · 10-11-07, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

This entire conversation is about Jones's character so it only seems fair that I attack Jones's character.

If, according to the left, we aren't allowed to judge Clinton by his character why are you allowed to judge Jones by her character? In fact according to the left we are not suppose to judge ANYONE.

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Fact of the matter is that not even die hard neo-con fans consider her to be genuine.

She and her story and her witnesses we quite convincing as opposed the Clinton who was exposed as a serial liar.

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She's a fraud.

Prove it. The weight of the evidence was in her favor and Clinton knew it. That's why he settled.

Lerxst · 10-11-07, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

No I didn't think you were. And I discovered that statistic about 6 months ago. I was shocked.

Not blaming anyone but doesn't that sound odd?

Klinton set the direction, called for what to be done. The O's made the actual decisions and we all suffered.

I could care less personally but I think Klinton had an obligation to approach the subject with a little more tact. Given his service status it was rather in your face FU! to those service to do it the way he did imo.

That's fair enough I suppose.

Iriemon · 10-11-07, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

By the facts of the case.

That said, I don't think Paula Jones is any 'victim' by any stretch of the word. She's an opportunist.

The facts of the case are in dispute. One version depends upon her credibility.

Lerxst · 10-11-07, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

They thought it would be in the best interest of the US and the world if the Soviets also had the A bomb. Were they patriots?

What? How can you even pretend to know what their motivations were? Julius Rosenberg took the fifth and refused to testify. You are fabricating information now in order to manipulate this argument. I have already told you that they were NOT patriots. Patriots act out of love for their country. These individuals actively aided an enemy state against their own country. Their allegiance was to an enemy government. This is weak sauce Stinger.

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No everyone doesn't know that, especially those that know what actually did run up to the war.

I don't so keep it going.

Which if the actual reasons of the Iraq Liberation Act did you disagree with?

Why would leaving Saddam in power, which was against the very policy of the Clinton administration, make them more patriotic? And you do know you are including the vast majority of Dems in your less than patriotic group.

No we went to war for very specific reasons which hold true today.

Sorry but that is totally false. He wasn't contained at all. He had blackmailed other countries to get around the sanctions, which were going to be lifted anyway.

Let me ask you this, what did it take JUST to get the inspectors back in, remember when he kicked them out, and then at that he STILL refused to comply. But what did it take?

No but then you have to over-simplify it in order to make your point.

Given enough time they do, and they wouldn't have to do it with a full bore military assault.

Given the fact that both Dr. Kay and Dr. Duelfer state Saddam was more dangerous than we had ever imagined?

What would have been success?

It didn't take Bush to create those who want to destroy us.

Tell me what have the liberal patriots supported? What is their current plan?

If you want to hash the legitimacy of the Iraq war then lets take it to another thread or a True Debate. I'd like to get a True Debate Winner medal to add to my profile.

Stinger · 10-11-07, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

What? How can you even pretend to know what their motivations were? Julius Rosenberg took the fifth and refused to testify. You are fabricating information now in order to manipulate this argument. I have already told you that they were NOT patriots. Patriots act out of love for their country. These individuals actively aided an enemy state against their own country. Their allegiance was to an enemy government. This is weak sauce Stinger.

There cause, like most communist at the time was to bring their country under communist rule because they loved it. But obviously you don't want to go there.

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If you want to hash the legitimacy of the Iraq war then lets take it to another thread or a True Debate. I'd like to get a True Debate Winner medal to add to my profile.

Right here is good enough, go back and respond to my post.

Lerxst · 10-11-07, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

There cause, like most communist at the time was to bring their country under communist rule because they loved it. But obviously you don't want to go there.

What are you talking about, I don't want to go there? I did, I refuted you. End of story. You flat out fabricated information and you are caught.

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Right here is good enough, go back and respond to my post.

I challenge you to a True Debate on this issue. Let's take up to the top of the forum.

Iriemon · 10-11-07, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

I challenge you to a True Debate on this issue. Let's take up to the top of the forum.

I'd follow that one. : )

Stinger · 10-11-07, 06:13 PM

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What are you talking about, I don't want to go there? I did, I refuted you. End of story. You flat out fabricated information and you are caught.

They like the rest of the communist sympathizers wanted a communist America, that was their "patriotic dream" and only by assuring we didn't get ahead of them in the nuke race could that be achieved. Was that patriotic?

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I challenge you to a True Debate on this issue. Let's take up to the top of the forum.

We can debate it right here where everyone can participate.