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Obama a socialist? Are people that ignorant?

Boo Radley said:
I don't think you do. Better brew another pot. Reread Jet's coments. :coffeepap
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I have re-read Jet's comments, now why can't you admit exactly who you are? Obama is a socialist and knows that socialism can only be sold here through incrementalism and with people like you supporting him.
 
Conservative said:
Healthcare reform was never intended to solve a problem but instead was to drive private insurance out of business.
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Where the hell did you get that from, Professor Wikipedia? Care to explain how HCR is designed to "drive private insurance out of business" when it legislates that everyone have private healthcare insurance? :doh
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Where the hell did you get that from, Professor Wikipedia? Care to explain how HCR is designed to "drive private insurance out of business" when it legislates that everyone have private healthcare insurance? :doh
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How does private industry compete against the govt. mandate? What you continue to show is your youth and how naive you really are. The fact is Obamacare will drive private business out of business and who will be there to pick up the slack? Hmmmm.

Socialism is as follows and you continue to ignore that equal outcome is part of that and in order to create equal outcome there has to be class warfare and increased taxes on those who earn the most money.

socialism (ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm)

— n
1. Compare capitalism an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels
2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system
3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need
 
Conservative said:
I understand results not liberal rhetoric.
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Umm, exactly how many trimes must I destroy this drivel of yours?

If you actually meant it ... if you actually cared about results ... you would never have voted for Bush in 2004.

You want results?

Did Bush lower unemployment in his first 45 months? No.

Did Bush lower the federal deficit in any year during his first 45 months? No.

Did Bush balance a budget in his first 45 months? No.

Did Bush decrease the burnrate of the national debt? No.

Did Bush protect America from terrorism on 9.11? No.

Did Bush find the WMD he invaded Iraq over? No.

Did Bush capture or kill Osama bin Laden? No.

There's absolutely no way in hell you care about results after you voted for that failure to have another four years to wreck our country.
 
Conservative said:
How does private industry compete against the govt. mandate? What you continue to show is your youth and how naive you really are. The fact is Obamacare will drive private business out of business and who will be there to pick up the slack? Hmmmm.
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Gee, and here I thought I was clear enough about how HRC relies on private healthcare insurance. Anybody could have understood my point ... how come you can't?

Or maybe you can, you just can't admit it -- I do note that you avoided answering my question ...

Care to explain how HCR is designed to "drive private insurance out of business" when it legislates that everyone have private healthcare insurance?
 
Conservative said:
Far too many people look at today and make long term judgments about tomorrow. Those that do not believe Obama is a socialist are looking and thinking short term. There is no way that Obama would stay in the WH by admitting who he really is so he is doing it incrementally.
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So there's no outward socialism, you just know what he's really up to.
Conservative said:
His attempt at micromanaging everything at the Federal level and imposing Federal policy on personal responsibility issues both are socialistic. Shared sacrifice? That is socialism.
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No, it's not actually.
Conservative said:
Demonizing profits is socialism.
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No, it's not actually.
Conservative said:
Massive expansion of govt. is socialism.
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That would make the GWB Admin, (and many neoconservatives) socialist if it were true. But it's not.
Conservative said:
National healthcare is socialism.
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No, it's not actually.
Conservative said:
Taken individually doesn't mean much but collectively they are moving this country towards socialism and that is the direction Obama wants this country to go.
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When Obama starts nationalizing businesses, I'll start to agree that he's a socialist.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, exactly how many trimes must I destroy this drivel of yours?

If you actually meant it ... if you actually cared about results ... you would never have voted for Bush in 2004.

You want results?

Did Bush lower unemployment in his first 45 months? No.

Did Bush lower the federal deficit in any year during his first 45 months? No.

Did Bush balance a budget in his first 45 months? No.

Did Bush decrease the burnrate of the national debt? No.

Did Bush protect America from terrorism on 9.11? No.

Did Bush find the WMD he invaded Iraq over? No.

Did Bush capture or kill Osama bin Laden? No.

There's absolutely no way in hell you care about results after you voted for that failure to have another four years to wreck our country.
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Wasn't Obama hired to correct the problems and after spending over a trillion dollars generated more unemployment and less employment along with greater debt than he inherited? Just admit that you are supporting socialist policies and we can move on.
 
Conservative said:
What do you call supporting higher taxes on the rich, redistribution of wealth, shared sacrifice, and massive expansion of govt. with an increasing role in personal responsibility issues?
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supporting higher taxes on the rich, redistribution of wealth, shared sacrifice, and massive expansion of govt. with an increasing role in personal responsibility issues
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So there's no outward socialism, you just know what he's really up to.
No, it's not actually.
No, it's not actually.
That would make the GWB Admin, (and many neoconservatives) socialist if it were true. But it's not.
No, it's not actually.
When Obama starts nationalizing businesses, I'll start to agree that he's a socialist.
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but income distribution through higher taxes and class warfare on the rich is the first step towards socialism. Demonization of profits and attacks on individual wealth creation promote equal outcome instead of equal opportunity both of which are steps towars socialism. 47% of the income earners in this country paying zero in Federal income taxes is buying votes and a step towards socialism. I assure you that when Obama starts taking over business it will be too late. Care to admit that is what you support?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Gee, and here I thought I was clear enough about how HRC relies on private healthcare insurance. Anybody could have understood my point ... how come you can't?

Or maybe you can, you just can't admit it -- I do note that you avoided answering my question ...

Care to explain how HCR is designed to "drive private insurance out of business" when it legislates that everyone have private healthcare insurance?
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Setting prices and mandating coverage is a step towards socialism so admit that is what you support and we can move one. Private industry cannot compete against govt. mandates and you know it.
 
Conservative said:
47% of the income earners in this country paying zero in Federal income taxes is buying votes and a step towards socialism.
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Holy ****! Tell me you didn't just say that??

47% of income earners in this country pay no tax because of the tax structure George Bush put into place.

And you voted for him even after he passed that tax structure.

That makes you ... are ya sitting down ... ? ... a socialist! :lamo :lamo
 
Conservative said:
Setting prices and mandating coverage is a step towards socialism so admit that is what you support and we can move one. Private industry cannot compete against govt. mandates and you know it.
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Again, because you just can't seem to grasp the concept ... HCR demands you own private healthcare insurance.

You must be a failure in business that you believe driving people to buying a product is going to kill that product. It's a shame that you're driven by rightwing talking points and not by reality.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****! Tell me you didn't just say that??

47% of income earners in this country pay no tax because of the tax structure George Bush put into place.

And you voted for him even after he passed that tax structure.

That makes you ... are ya sitting down ... ? ... a socialist! :lamo :lamo
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15 million unemployed Americans, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, fewer employed today than when he took office, that is the Obama record. Where are the jobs?
 
Brady said:
I hear the word, "socialist!" yelled at Obama over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. So has anybody opened up a book and read about what socialism is or does everyone just coolaid drink what people and the media tells them? Obama is not in any way a socialist. Does he advocate proletarian revolution and overthrow of capitalist regimes? Does he talk about how the capitalist system exploits labour? Does he advocate the institution of socialism as a transition to a classless and stateless communist society based upon common ownership of the means of production, abolition of private property and social classes? NO. And this is coming from AN ACTUAL SOCIALIST! There's a first.....
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People that call Obama and other Democrats socialist need to actually google the word before commenting. Then take a poli-sci course and then you can debate about it. Obama is a third way Democrat, just like Bill and Hillary and most of their respective cabinets. Third Way politicians are a far cry from socialists, and are considered by some far lefty's like Daily Kos to be corporate shills. Their philosophy shares much from Keynesian economics and mixed economic theorems.

If Obama were a socialist he would have taken over GM instead of just bailing them out. He would have done the same for AIG as well. He would have accepted nothing less then single payor health care. But in all cases he has worked with big business to help them survive, and he has done little to curb the Republican Corporate Welfare programs.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Again, because you just can't seem to grasp the concept ... HCR demands you own private healthcare insurance.

You must be a failure in business that you believe driving people to buying a product is going to kill that product. It's a shame that you're driven by rightwing talking points and not by reality.
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You really are a socialist, aren't you? Since when is that a Federal Responsibility?
 
Conservative said:
15 million unemployed Americans, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, fewer employed today than when he took office, that is the Obama record. Where are the jobs?
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Automated response #4356 when rhetoric fails and I can't respond to his post which decimated your argument about the 47% not paying federal income taxes.
 
ADG said:
People that call Obama and other Democrats socialist need to actually google the word before commenting. Then take a poli-sci course and then you can debate about it. Obama is a third way Democrat, just like Bill and Hillary and most of their respective cabinets. Third Way politicians are a far cry from socialists, and are considered by some far lefty's like Daily Kos to be corporate shills. Their philosophy shares much from Keynesian economics and mixed economic theorems.

If Obama were a socialist he would have taken over GM instead of just bailing them out. He would have done the same for AIG as well. He would have accepted nothing less then single payor health care. But in all cases he has worked with big business to help them survive, and he has done little to curb the Republican Corporate Welfare programs.
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That is absolute BS, Obama couldn't carry Hillary's jock strap. Obama did take over GM as he had controlling interest and put the CEO in place to run the company. Obama knows that this country would never elect a socialist so he has disguised himself as you claim a third way Democrat. His policies are socialist as are his goals. Only the cult followers continue to ignore the reality of his stepping stone policies.
 
Conservative said:
You really are a socialist, aren't you? Since when is that a Federal Responsibility?
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Since the U.S. Constitution granted the Congress the power to provide for the general welfare of this great nation.

You must think the U.S. Constitution is Socialist doctrine.

But then, you've demonstrated that you're a Socialist, so that could very well be.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Automated response #4356 when rhetoric fails and I can't respond to his post which decimated your argument about the 47% not paying federal income taxes.
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Disprove that statement? How is that benefiting the revenue that liberals believe this country needs?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Since the U.S. Constitution granted the Congress the power to provide for the general welfare of this great nation.

You must think the U.S. Constitution is Socialist doctrine.

But then, you've demonstrated that you're a Socialist, so that could very well be.
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Read the Constitution, PROMOTE not PROVIDE, do you understand the difference? Admit that you are a socialist and support that movement?
 
Conservative said:
Setting prices and mandating coverage is a step towards socialism so admit that is what you support and we can move one. Private industry cannot compete against govt. mandates and you know it.
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Obamacare is the biggest giveaway to the private health care industry in our history. If, and only if, we had started a public option would your comment make any sense. Please explain how a government mandate that requires citizens to buy private health insurance inhibits these same private company's to compete with the mandate that requires the customer to buy the insurance from these private health insurance companies. Circular lunacy logic here, but please explain it if you can.
 
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