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Obama a socialist? Are people that ignorant?

Conservative said:
15 million unemployed Americans, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, fewer employed today than when he took office, that is the Obama record. Where are the jobs?
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If not for Obama, there would be 18.5 million unemployed. Where's your praise?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****! Tell me you didn't just say that??

47% of income earners in this country pay no tax because of the tax structure George Bush put into place.

And you voted for him even after he passed that tax structure.

That makes you ... are ya sitting down ... ? ... a socialist! :lamo :lamo
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As usual, you think I am concerned about the 47% of the people that don't pay any taxes. That is typical of a naive kid that you appear to be. This is about not giving the govt. one dime more until they cut spending and that means not raising taxes on the rich or anyone else. That means allowing the taxpayers to keep more of their money. You don't understand that concept at all and buy that people keeping more of what they earn is an expense to the govt. That makes you a big govt. socialist.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Again, because you just can't seem to grasp the concept ... HCR demands you own private healthcare insurance.

You must be a failure in business that you believe driving people to buying a product is going to kill that product. It's a shame that you're driven by rightwing talking points and not by reality.
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I just read through the previous posts from you and Conservative before my post above. Talking to a wall is never productive.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
If not for Obama, there would be 18.5 million unemployed. Where's your praise?
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Liberals are very good at giving credit for that which they cannot prove, save jobs? LOL, we would be in a depression today were it not for Obama? LOL. Now 18.5 million unemployed? Yeah, right, although that may indeed be closer to the actual number.
 
ADG said:
I just read through the previous posts from you and Conservative before my post above. Talking to a wall is never productive.
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And spouting naive rhetoric is self serving and may make you feel good although it makes you look foolish when the facts prove you wrong. Liberals like you are indeed socialist and cannot admit it.
 
Conservative said:
Read the Constitution, PROMOTE not PROVIDE, do you understand the difference? Admit that you are a socialist and support that movement?
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Holy ****, Conservative!!!

You don't even know what's in the Constitution??? No wonder you're a socialist.

Brace yourself ... you're once again about to be schooled by a Liberal ...

Article I ...

Section 8 ...

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;​

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official

This would be a good time for you to complain that I'm off-topic. :snicker:
 
Conservative said:
That is absolute BS, Obama couldn't carry Hillary's jock strap. Obama did take over GM as he had controlling interest and put the CEO in place to run the company. Obama knows that this country would never elect a socialist so he has disguised himself as you claim a third way Democrat. His policies are socialist as are his goals. Only the cult followers continue to ignore the reality of his stepping stone policies.
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Well then tell me genius, who has control of GM right now? Obama? The US Government? Nope, neither of them. So no amount of juvenile comments about Hillary's jockstrap will take away from the fact that the government does not have controlling interest in the company, and that GM has paid back the money it was given by the government. If we still had controlling interest in the company you may have had a point, but in this case your argument is invalid. Acknowledge this so we can all move on...:)
 
Conservative said:
And spouting naive rhetoric is self serving and may make you feel good although it makes you look foolish when the facts prove you wrong. Liberals like you are indeed socialist and cannot admit it.
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I gotta say, it did make me feel good.

But did you say something about facts! I would love to see you provide some of those!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****, Conservative!!!

You don't even know what's in the Constitution??? No wonder you're a socialist.

Brace yourself ... you're once again about to be schooled by a Liberal ...

Article I ...

Section 8 ...

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;​

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official

This would be a good time for you to complain that I'm off-topic. :snicker:
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Read the Preamble and get back to me. I wouldn't be talking about something you know nothing about. The preamble was their before politicians took charge. You really are one naive kid.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Wake up and buy a dictionary, or a set of encyclopedias, or a textbook, or something...
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there is only one ideology that doesn't give a damn about what you or anyone else makes or pays in taxes, guess which one that is? There is only one ideology that wants equal outcome and not just equal opportunity, now guess which one that is?
 
Conservative said:
As usual, you think I am concerned about the 47% of the people that don't pay any taxes. That is typical of a naive kid that you appear to be.
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Are you senile? What did I say that your brain translated into me thinking you are concerned about those people?

You said 47% of income earners not paying income tax is "a step towards Socialism" ... but the reason we have 47% not paying tax is because of the tax structure Bush put into place in the early 2000's ... according to you, that makes Bush a Socialist ... in 2004, you voted for that Socialist ... according to you, that makes you a Socialist.

Savvy?

Conservative said:
That makes you a big govt. socialist.
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Well you're the one who voted for a Socialist for president ... guess that makes you, not me, the Socialist.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Are you senile? What did I say that your brain translated into me thinking you are concerned about those people?

You said 47% of income earners not paying income tax is "a step towards Socialism" ... but the reason we have 47% not paying tax is because of the tax structure Bush put into place in the early 2000's ... according to you, that makes Bush a Socialist ... in 2004, you voted for that Socialist ... according to you, that makes you a Socialist.

Savvy?


Well you're the one who voted for a Socialist for president ... guess that makes you, not me, the Socialist.
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Nope, didn't vote for Obama nor did I vote for Gore or Kerry but typical ignoring of the facts. Socialists don't give tax cuts to all taxpayers.
 
ADG said:
I gotta say, it did make me feel good.

But did you say something about facts! I would love to see you provide some of those!
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First I would have to have you give me your definition of facts and what you would be willing to accept. Seems that bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury aren't good enough for most liberals.
 
ADG said:
I just read through the previous posts from you and Conservative before my post above. Talking to a wall is never productive.
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Then think of it like painting. He still won't learn anything, but at least he'll have a nice clean coat. :cool:
 
Conservative said:
Liberals are very good at giving credit for that which they cannot prove, save jobs? LOL, we would be in a depression today were it not for Obama? LOL. Now 18.5 million unemployed? Yeah, right, although that may indeed be closer to the actual number.
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I'm just using your figures. You said there are 15 million umemployed ... you also said that every job saved or created by Obama's stimulus plan cost us $228,000. Well $228,000 per job equals 3.5 million jobs ... add those to the 15 million you said are unemployed and voila! 18.5 million unemployed without Obama's stimulus plan.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion...
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Actually, it's not my opinion. Nor is it an opinion. It's a definition.
Conservative said:
I assure you that when Obama starts taking over business it will be too late.
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Until he starts advocating the nationalization of businesses, we won't be a socialist.
Conservative said:
Care to admit that is what you support?
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I support the English language. I support the idea that words mean things. I support the rectification of names. I support conveying real meaning with words.

And, fyi, pointing out that calling Obama a socialist is inaccurate, isn't the same thing as supporting him. You might want to examine how you arrived at that logical error and see if there's anything to be learned from it. Or not. w/e.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Then think of it like painting. He still won't learn anything, but at least he'll have a nice clean coat. :cool:
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I can understand how you probably missed this because after all it was written by the FOUNDERS and is the first Paragraph of the Constitution. Socialists don't give a damn about the Founders

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Simon W. Moon said:
Actually, it's not my opinion. Nor is it an opinion. It's a definition.
Until he starts advocating the nationalization of businesses, we won't be a socialist.
I support the English language. I support the idea that words mean things. I support the rectification of names. I support conveying real meaning with words.

And, fyi, pointing out that calling Obama a socialist is inaccurate, isn't the same thing as supporting him. You might want to examine how you arrived at that logical error and see if there's anything to be learned from it. Or not. w/e.
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How far to you think he would get if he did what he is actually doing incrementally? What do you call demonization of profits and class warfare? Stop being naive and see what he is proposing. Incrementalism is what socialist do in a free enterprise society and do it be demonizing free enterprise, capitalism, profit and individual wealth creation.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****! Tell me you didn't just say that??

47% of income earners in this country pay no tax because of the tax structure George Bush put into place.

And you voted for him even after he passed that tax structure.

That makes you ... are ya sitting down ... ? ... a socialist! :lamo :lamo
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That's different. GWB did tax cuts so that people could keep more of their own money. Obama cut taxes because of the creeping, hidden, socialism and wealth re-distribution that's infecting his brain.
Can't you see the very obvious and plain difference?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm just using your figures. You said there are 15 million umemployed ... you also said that every job saved or created by Obama's stimulus plan cost us $228,000. Well $228,000 per job equals 3.5 million jobs ... add those to the 15 million you said are unemployed and voila! 18.5 million unemployed without Obama's stimulus plan.
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LOL, there you go again ignoring that CBO which is given assumptions by Congress which was under Democrat control provided. Keep diverting from that fact.

Deny the facts I presented.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
That's different. GWB did tax cuts so that people could keep more of their own money. Obama cut taxes because of the creeping, hidden, socialism and wealth re-distribution that's infecting his brain.
Can't you see the very obvious and plain difference?
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What taxes did Obama cut? did you get yours? Keep buying the rhetoric, obama's tax cuts came with strings, Bush cut rates
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm just using your figures. You said there are 15 million umemployed ... you also said that every job saved or created by Obama's stimulus plan cost us $228,000. Well $228,000 per job equals 3.5 million jobs ... add those to the 15 million you said are unemployed and voila! 18.5 million unemployed without Obama's stimulus plan.
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I really love naive, young kids who think they know it all and soon learn they didn't. It is especially gratifying to be around when they realize what a fool they have been. Hope I am here to see you come to that realization.
 
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