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Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

Was Pelosi to blame? I don't think so. Is there a specific case you have in mind? As Speaker, she doesn't sit on the committees that would normally originate new regulatory legislation and I don't recall an instance where she acted to prevent such from reaching the floor. The energy bill would have been the natural fit for such legislation and she guided it through the House; really a masterful achievement in her now extended list of achievements.

I do acknowledge that Obama was friendly to the oil extraction industry, indeed proposed more extraction offshore, in some of the most environmentally and economically sensitive areas imaginable. The president did not lead in halting deep water extraction activities and only now (too late) has reformed the agency responsible for that industry (by terminating it and creating three new independent agencies).

However, even in this regard, the policies and regulatory oversight applied to the Deepwater Horizon rig have to be substantially laid at the feet of the Bush administration which was in office throughout the construction and drilling period. Just saying.
 
And, the best part is Nancy is my congresswoman (although living in San Francisco is pretty tough to beat).

Your credibility would be improved if you acknowledged that Bush had at least some responsibility in how the deep water oil extraction industry was regulated during his recent presidency all of which contributed mightily to the current crisis. Then we might find some agreement on the list of responsible political agents if not their precise shares.

On the other hand, Pelosi is simply anticipating the hearings to come, and, they will come, and, we know the Bush administration's role in this catastrophe will be extensive and damning. Liberals will doubtless blame Obama for his offer to drill more in pristine areas, but, let's face it, his decisions had little to do with the ongoing calamity.

I figured as much. What is it like to be carrying water for such a duplicitous hag?

Explain to me why deregulating deep water oil extraction industry led to the current crisis.
 
seems you are fishing for a reply. it is apparent from you and those others who are unable to observe the obvious, the dicknbush regime effectively demolished the regulatory structure of our government. this incident is but a singular indicator of that fact. another obvious fact is that you are unable to distinguish between a latent and a patent defect. get back with me when you have figured it out. til then, you have nothing to post which would be found worthy of response

Damn right I was fishing for a reply.

And yet not one of you have posted a shred of evidence showing Bush or his administrations deregulation would have stopped this from happening, or took what amounts to bribes (according to Pelosi.)

The article in Newsweek and the one I posted say it most likely had little or nothing to do with it.

Now again I ask....

Show the evidence or continue to drink the Kool Aid. :mrgreen:
 
Explain to me why deregulating deep water oil extraction industry led to the current crisis.

Why even bother? They can't even show evidence any Bush appointee took kickbacks. They certainly are good at stating it as a fact though.
 
If "deregulation" is really to blame for this spill, why does it not happen more? What happened on the rig is pretty common when drilling and operating these wells, and other rigs do not explode. It is not Bush's fault, nor is it Obama's fault.

People have become so hyper partisan they will just blame the other party for anything that goes wrong. It is pretty pathetic actually.
 
Why even bother? They can't even show evidence any Bush appointee took kickbacks. They certainly are good at stating it as a fact though.

It is good to bother to call out such misrepresentation when it occurs, all too often. I appreciate your hard work on this as well. They got nothing. They have no credibility.
 
You do know it was because of his deregulation, and the fact the people in charge were taken kick backs during his watch right?

Still waiting for evidence?

Since all these people agree...

ADK_Forever, earthworm, Gina, Glinda, hazlnut, justabubba, samsmart

One of them must have evidence this is true? Anyone? Beuler?

Crickets.
 
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Wow, a Lefty blamed Bush for something....how original.....
 

None of these have anything even remotely to do with Bush appointees taking kickbacks or deregulation causing the oil spill.


Again has nothing to do with deregulation or Bush appointees. It is about BP's own mistakes.

I guess you didn't look that hard now did you.

Considering you have yet to post anything saying deregulation was responsible or Bush appointees took kickbacks I would say pot meet kettle.

However I still blame deregulation for this mess. and the fact that their was another thing in Texas City that was BP plant.

And you would still be wrong.


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And two? It is also a coalition of bloggers acting together to educate, and to counter mainstream media manipulation of society.

And three? There is a danger, as I see it, that since the 2008 US Presidential Election some of the biggest players in the left blogosphere are running the risk of becoming what we have all for years castigated mainstream media for being and for what it has been for years; simply a soapbox for power, and if that continues to happen then we are lost without purpose, and perhaps an unspoken motto for this site would be an old standard of mine:


I trust these guys for unbiased news, NOT.

This is some guys blogging????? This is NOT a source of proof for anything.

PS has again nothing to do with the oil spill or kickbakcs.


Again these stories have absolutely nothing to do with Bush or his administration taking kickbacks or deregulation.

Here is your statement…

You do know it was because of his deregulation, and the fact the people in charge were taken kick backs during his watch right?RyrineaHaruno

Anyone who says deregulation work are either blind, or really not thinking clearly.

It appears that on this issue you can’t..

#1 Back up your accusations
#2 Stay on topic
#3 Post links that have anything even remotely to do with your statement.

Now do you have anything about Bush and deregulation causing the spill?
Do you have anything about Bush appointees taking kickbacks?
 
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Let's see what we have here:

  • Government insiders in the Bush administration and letting executives off lightly (related to Bush, unrelated to regulation)
  • GOP deregulation causing WorldCom issues (unrelated to Bush, related to regulation)
  • Whistleblower accuses BP of not maintaining the right engineering documents (unrelated to Bush, unrelated to regulation)
  • Whistleblower accuses Bush admin of letting off BP and execs for North Slope Oil Spill (related to Bush, unrelated to regulation)
  • BP ignores pipeline problems in Prudhoe Bay (unrelated to Bush, unrelated to regulation)
  • Docs show BP engineers were concerned over casing and BOP at Deepwater Horizon in 2009. (unrelated to Bush, unrelated to regulation)
  • Regulators and independent investigators found problems with engineering docs on BP's Atlantis. (unrelated to Bush, related to regulation)

None of these relates how deregulation caused problems with Deepwater Horizon. The deregulation that occurred on corporate governance was done by the GOP congress and had nothing to do with Bush. The deregulation of corporate governance had nothing to do with drill operations and was unrelated to the failures.

You FAIL.
 
It seems the "blind" ones are the liberals who are blaming Bush and ignoring any role Obama may have in this whole oil spill ordeal. they have no proof that the oil spill was caused by Bush's policy and evidently it's not Obama's fault for not re-instating these extremely crucial drilling procedures that Bush repealed (even though Obama has Democrat monopoly). Literally, it seems as if they are rejecting objectivity and blaming Bush because they must blame Bush to prevent Obama from looking bad (and attacking Republicans). Not only that, but I think blind partisans desperately want to believe that it's the evil ex President Bush's fault for the oil spill. This is outrageous and completely insane. I can't say I'm not shocked to see Pelosi talking like this, but I'm surprised at all of this and the desperation of Democrats and partisans that blindly obey and believe what they say.
 
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It seems the "blind" ones are the liberals who are blaming Bush and ignoring any role Obama may have in this whole oil spill ordeal. they have no proof that the oil spill was caused by Bush's policy and evidently it's not Obama's fault for re instating these extremely crucial drilling procedures that Bush repealed (even though Obama has Democrat monopoly). Literally, it seems as if they are rejecting objectivity and blaming Bush because they must blame Bush to prevent Obama from looking bad (and attacking Republicans). Not only that, but I think blind partisans desperately want to believe that it's the evil ex President Bush's fault for the oil spill. This is outrageous and completely insane. I can't say I'm not shocked to see Pelosi talking like this, but I'm surprised at all of this and the desperation of Democrats and partisans that blindly obey and believe what they say.

I really have a problem with this idea that it is the government's responsibility to oversee private industry. Government could not have prevented this disaster. Having some government agency where all engineering documents are authorized is a horrible idea. That should not be the government's role to establish regulatory requirements like that. BP is going to pay for what they have done and I would not be surprised if people stopped going to BP gas stations to protest their sloppy operations.
 
I really have a problem with this idea that it is the government's responsibility to oversee private industry. Government could not have prevented this disaster. Having some government agency where all engineering documents are authorized is a horrible idea. That should not be the government's role to establish regulatory requirements like that. BP is going to pay for what they have done and I would not be surprised if people stopped going to BP gas stations to protest their sloppy operations.

It is exactly a government's responsibility to oversee private industry. After all, the government oversees the actions of indivdiuals, and corporations have many of the same rights as indivdiuals, such as freedom of speech. So if corporations get to enjoy the freedoms of individuals, then they are also subject to regulations like individuals are.

And protesting the purchase of BP stations is going to hurt the owner of those gas stations who bought the BP franchise, who's only a small businessman, than it will hurt the big company.
 
So, all problems that occur on the watch of a President are (naturally) the fault of the previous administration?:confused:
 
And, in over a year in office, Obama didn't correct this? A year is 25% of a four year term.
 
It is exactly a government's responsibility to oversee private industry. After all, the government oversees the actions of indivdiuals, and corporations have many of the same rights as indivdiuals, such as freedom of speech. So if corporations get to enjoy the freedoms of individuals, then they are also subject to regulations like individuals are.

I don't think it is the responsibility of government to oversee the actions of individuals either. We are overregulated.

And protesting the purchase of BP stations is going to hurt the owner of those gas stations who bought the BP franchise, who's only a small businessman, than it will hurt the big company.

Good point.
 
So, all problems that occur on the watch of a President are (naturally) the fault of the previous administration?:confused:

Not necessarily.

Congress writes our nation's laws, so they write the regulations that businesses must adhere to. So Congress could have written tighter regulations on the oil companies to make them have better response plans for an eventually. After all, the President can only enforce the laws that Congress writes.

However, the President directs the policies of government agencies. In some cases, he can direct members of government agencies to ignore or modify the laws and regulations written by Congress. So even if Congress writes a particular law that regulates an industry, the President can use his executive authority to ignore those laws. This has been done and justified as a President's check on Congress.

So what I'd like to do is look at the laws that regulate offshore drilling and see if they are adequate enough. If they aren't, I want to hold Congress to task for not doing their job properly. If they are adequate, then there is a problem with regards to the President. Most likely, Obama did not issue any executive orders changing executive policies regarding offshore drilling, which may mean that we need a better method of transition from one administration to another with regards to outgoing Presidents who defy Congress' will.

That's what I think.
 
I don't think it is the responsibility of government to oversee the actions of individuals either. We are overregulated.

I think businesses should be more regulated but indivdiuals less so. After all, businesses are inherently sociopathic entities since their whole reason for existence is to produce the highest profit at the lowest cost. Because of this, I think the government should serve as a balancing "superego" to a businesses' "id" in order to reduce the harm that a business can do, intentionally or otherwise. I'm not saying that we should do away with businesses - I'm just saying that they need to be regulated, especially the largest ones with the most influence and whose actions have the most impact.

Good point.

Thank you.
 
I think businesses should be more regulated but indivdiuals less so. After all, businesses are inherently sociopathic entities since their whole reason for existence is to produce the highest profit at the lowest cost. Because of this, I think the government should serve as a balancing "superego" to a businesses' "id" in order to reduce the harm that a business can do, intentionally or otherwise. I'm not saying that we should do away with businesses - I'm just saying that they need to be regulated, especially the largest ones with the most influence and whose actions have the most impact.

What is a sociopathic entity?

My issue is that a government in the business of regulating individuals or businesses creates its own harm. More harm than would be committed by businesses free to operate. Government regulation creates regulatory frameworks which raise the barrier to entry for new businesses, thereby favoring large corporations. The meaningless documentary requirements create bureaucracy. All that is needed is to ensure that when a company does cause a problem, they have to pay for it.
 
Funny, because I thought I did pretty well in saying, and backing up my evidence that DEREGULATION were the cause of this mess. Hell, the US regulators chicken out, because of the fact that BIG oil companies complained that it was too expensive. The other thing I was pointing out is that the deregulation's are the cause, and effect of this, and

I also agree that the Obama admiration is at fault too, so is the bush administration, and Clinton Administration for removing some of the regulations we had in place, and also the Obama's, and Bush Administrations for not enforcing the regulations that we have in place at the time.


It also sad that people that want deregulation have no sympathy for the 11 people that were killed by Bp's gross negligence in not obeying the rules that were set for them. The other sad thing is that these deaths could have been avoidable, and the fact that the oil spill could have also been avoidable.

I also thought this article was interesting for that matter. It suggest that we are living in a Corporate State instead of a real free market. Basically he suggested what happen is a Regulatory capture this happens when a regulator acts in favor of the industry other than the public interest, and he suggest that this is what had basically happened in the BP oil spill. It is one of many deregulation that made us in too a corporate state instead of a real free market.



And the Bp oil spill does show us we do need regulation, and that people that don't have regulations don't act responsible to insure people best interest.
 
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No, sorry, you did not show that deregulation was the cause of the oil spill.
 
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