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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It seems the "blind" ones are the liberals who are blaming Bush and ignoring any role Obama may have in this whole oil spill ordeal. they have no proof that the oil spill was caused by Bush's policy and evidently it's not Obama's fault for re instating these extremely crucial drilling procedures that Bush repealed (even though Obama has Democrat monopoly). Literally, it seems as if they are rejecting objectivity and blaming Bush because they must blame Bush to prevent Obama from looking bad (and attacking Republicans). Not only that, but I think blind partisans desperately want to believe that it's the evil ex President Bush's fault for the oil spill. This is outrageous and completely insane. I can't say I'm not shocked to see Pelosi talking like this, but I'm surprised at all of this and the desperation of Democrats and partisans that blindly obey and believe what they say.
    I really have a problem with this idea that it is the government's responsibility to oversee private industry. Government could not have prevented this disaster. Having some government agency where all engineering documents are authorized is a horrible idea. That should not be the government's role to establish regulatory requirements like that. BP is going to pay for what they have done and I would not be surprised if people stopped going to BP gas stations to protest their sloppy operations.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I really have a problem with this idea that it is the government's responsibility to oversee private industry. Government could not have prevented this disaster. Having some government agency where all engineering documents are authorized is a horrible idea. That should not be the government's role to establish regulatory requirements like that. BP is going to pay for what they have done and I would not be surprised if people stopped going to BP gas stations to protest their sloppy operations.
    It is exactly a government's responsibility to oversee private industry. After all, the government oversees the actions of indivdiuals, and corporations have many of the same rights as indivdiuals, such as freedom of speech. So if corporations get to enjoy the freedoms of individuals, then they are also subject to regulations like individuals are.

    And protesting the purchase of BP stations is going to hurt the owner of those gas stations who bought the BP franchise, who's only a small businessman, than it will hurt the big company.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    So, all problems that occur on the watch of a President are (naturally) the fault of the previous administration?

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    And, in over a year in office, Obama didn't correct this? A year is 25% of a four year term.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It is exactly a government's responsibility to oversee private industry. After all, the government oversees the actions of indivdiuals, and corporations have many of the same rights as indivdiuals, such as freedom of speech. So if corporations get to enjoy the freedoms of individuals, then they are also subject to regulations like individuals are.
    I don't think it is the responsibility of government to oversee the actions of individuals either. We are overregulated.

    And protesting the purchase of BP stations is going to hurt the owner of those gas stations who bought the BP franchise, who's only a small businessman, than it will hurt the big company.
    Good point.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    So, all problems that occur on the watch of a President are (naturally) the fault of the previous administration?
    Not necessarily.

    Congress writes our nation's laws, so they write the regulations that businesses must adhere to. So Congress could have written tighter regulations on the oil companies to make them have better response plans for an eventually. After all, the President can only enforce the laws that Congress writes.

    However, the President directs the policies of government agencies. In some cases, he can direct members of government agencies to ignore or modify the laws and regulations written by Congress. So even if Congress writes a particular law that regulates an industry, the President can use his executive authority to ignore those laws. This has been done and justified as a President's check on Congress.

    So what I'd like to do is look at the laws that regulate offshore drilling and see if they are adequate enough. If they aren't, I want to hold Congress to task for not doing their job properly. If they are adequate, then there is a problem with regards to the President. Most likely, Obama did not issue any executive orders changing executive policies regarding offshore drilling, which may mean that we need a better method of transition from one administration to another with regards to outgoing Presidents who defy Congress' will.

    That's what I think.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I don't think it is the responsibility of government to oversee the actions of individuals either. We are overregulated.
    I think businesses should be more regulated but indivdiuals less so. After all, businesses are inherently sociopathic entities since their whole reason for existence is to produce the highest profit at the lowest cost. Because of this, I think the government should serve as a balancing "superego" to a businesses' "id" in order to reduce the harm that a business can do, intentionally or otherwise. I'm not saying that we should do away with businesses - I'm just saying that they need to be regulated, especially the largest ones with the most influence and whose actions have the most impact.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Good point.
    Thank you.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think businesses should be more regulated but indivdiuals less so. After all, businesses are inherently sociopathic entities since their whole reason for existence is to produce the highest profit at the lowest cost. Because of this, I think the government should serve as a balancing "superego" to a businesses' "id" in order to reduce the harm that a business can do, intentionally or otherwise. I'm not saying that we should do away with businesses - I'm just saying that they need to be regulated, especially the largest ones with the most influence and whose actions have the most impact.
    What is a sociopathic entity?

    My issue is that a government in the business of regulating individuals or businesses creates its own harm. More harm than would be committed by businesses free to operate. Government regulation creates regulatory frameworks which raise the barrier to entry for new businesses, thereby favoring large corporations. The meaningless documentary requirements create bureaucracy. All that is needed is to ensure that when a company does cause a problem, they have to pay for it.

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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    Funny, because I thought I did pretty well in saying, and backing up my evidence that DEREGULATION were the cause of this mess. Hell, the US regulators chicken out, because of the fact that BIG oil companies complained that it was too expensive. The other thing I was pointing out is that the deregulation's are the cause, and effect of this, and

    I also agree that the Obama admiration is at fault too, so is the bush administration, and Clinton Administration for removing some of the regulations we had in place, and also the Obama's, and Bush Administrations for not enforcing the regulations that we have in place at the time.


    It also sad that people that want deregulation have no sympathy for the 11 people that were killed by Bp's gross negligence in not obeying the rules that were set for them. The other sad thing is that these deaths could have been avoidable, and the fact that the oil spill could have also been avoidable.

    I also thought this article was interesting for that matter. It suggest that we are living in a Corporate State instead of a real free market. Basically he suggested what happen is a Regulatory capture this happens when a regulator acts in favor of the industry other than the public interest, and he suggest that this is what had basically happened in the BP oil spill. It is one of many deregulation that made us in too a corporate state instead of a real free market.



    And the Bp oil spill does show us we do need regulation, and that people that don't have regulations don't act responsible to insure people best interest.
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    Re: Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill

    No, sorry, you did not show that deregulation was the cause of the oil spill.

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