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    How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    I had never heard of Jed Brandt before seeing Beck use his Brecht forum appearance the other day on his show on FOX. I was taken back by the brash, brazenness of this man's speech, and the outward contempt for this country, as he is an American, and grew up here in America.

    here is his appearence:


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecijzR8HZd4"]YouTube- Jed Brandt at Brecht Forum Part 1.avi[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEEtScHIC1U&NR=1"]YouTube- Jed Brandt at Brecht Forum, on "The Van Jones Effect" Part 2[/ame]


    And following the piece from Beck:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSZM9PfEq_M&feature=related"]YouTube- Glenn Beck and the COMMUNIST Brecht Forum members[/ame]


    Ok


    So how many of you here in DP agree with this communist? And how is what he is saying any different from that of Obama's inner circle?


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOgmwyfKuL8&feature=player_embedded#"]YouTube- Glenn Beck exposes Color of Change co-founder Van Jones[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Obamas Right hand Man Andy Stern of SEIU[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN5svs6FGo&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Glenn Beck- Mao Tse Tung Exposed (Edited Version)[/ame]


    As far as I can see? Not a damned thing!


    :Hat tip: to Jane Q. Public for the video back up at Jed Brandt, The Bald Brecht Communist, Wants To Destroy This Nation Jane Q. Public


    Now I shall be interested in the responses.


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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    Bizarre...you ask people to make a case for how one thing is not another?! Why are you soliciting arguments? That is not how this works. You need to make a stronger case that one thing is another. "as far as I can see, because I obviously don't know what the hell socialism is" ... or... "because Beck says so in this here video" is not good enough.

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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Bizarre...you ask people to make a case for how one thing is not another?! Why are you soliciting arguments? That is not how this works. You need to make a stronger case that one thing is another. "as far as I can see, because I obviously don't know what the hell socialism is" ... or... "because Beck says so in this here video" is not good enough.

    Here are the questions from the OP:

    So how many of you here in DP agree with this communist? And how is what he is saying any different from that of Obama's inner circle?

    Care to answer, or just continue to try and derail the thread?


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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    You would do better to remove your inappropriate objections to this guy and his views:

    1. This is really irrelevant to Obama, he even voiced contempt for how Obama is running things, comparing it to the Bush era.

    2. His brazeness, speaking out critically about the U.S., his place of origin, all irrelevant.

    And instead focus on the ideas he presents:
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    3. His ideas about the following taken from the video and rephrased as best as I can recall:
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    a. Communism offers a government where people not objects, but in charge of their own destiny.

    This appears to be the opposite of reality, i.e. false. Communism eliminates individual ownership and effort, in favor of communal ownership and distribution. It in fact, treats you like a cloned object of the many. You are a unit, in a multi-unit, homogenous, group. Your individual effort, or desires, are less releavnt, and less experessed. On the other end of the spectrum, Capitalism allows individual ownership, and individual pursuit of happiness and destiny control. To me it appears that he's confused, or lying. If we could re-boot his brain and present the actual information, I think he'd be a die-hard capitalist.

    b. And when people can't use government to force people to have good schools, good welfare, etc, they get fed up and leave government to do it on their own.

    Yes, um, that's the point. You aren't supposed to use government to do things that individuals are supposed to be doing. And that's a testament to the U.S. that these types of individuals find it very hard to pursue that agenda, when it is contrary to what has allowed the U.S. to be safe and prosperous, and relatively stable in this short time.

    c. The enemy is capitalism.
    Of course contradictory to his idea of indivudal destiny vs treated like an object....(see (a) above), but taken on its face wasn't he earlier in the video belly aching about how the opponents see communism as the enemy? Whatever.

    Bash conservatism all you like, but it's hard to argue against maintaining one of the most free, prosperous, and empowering ways of life throughout human history.

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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    I don't disagree with your posting Mach...but I see alot of this guy's sentiment displayed in segments of the Obama administration. That the administration is hamstrung beyond what this guy thinks is not to his liking is irrelevant. The point is that Obama and this ****bird are on the same page.


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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The point is that Obama and this ****bird are on the same page.
    so when I ask you to explain how, I'm derailing the thread. O-kay.

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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?
    Simply put, he is not any different. Kudos to Glenn Beck for exposing this American hating radical.

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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    so when I ask you to explain how, I'm derailing the thread. O-kay.

    Ok, you're right, maybe yours and Mach's postings are similar in the way they are laid out, obviously from different sides of the spectrum though. so tell us what do you see as the flaw in comparing this Socialist/Marxist in NYC to that of the people that Obama seems to surround himself with on policy making?


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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, you're right, maybe yours and Mach's postings are similar in the way they are laid out, obviously from different sides of the spectrum though. so tell us what do you see as the flaw in comparing this Socialist/Marxist in NYC to that of the people that Obama seems to surround himself with on policy making?


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    Easy, the flaw in comparing Brandt with the Obama team is that there is no compelling evidence that they are the same. Obama and Co are not communists.

    Alarmist wingnut hyperbole got used on the last administration. The Bush team were called "Fascists." They weren't. The same thing is happening here.

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    Re: How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Easy, the flaw in comparing Brandt with the Obama team is that there is no compelling evidence that they are the same. Obama and Co are not communists.

    I disagree. Many of Obama's inner circle are "Progressives" What are they "Progressing" to?


    Alarmist wingnut hyperbole got used on the last administration.

    I agree. From the left.


    The Bush team were called "Fascists." They weren't.

    Really? Liberals never called Bush a Fascist?


    Then why does this come to mind:

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Olberman
    February 14, 2008 (Special Comment)

    "If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business, come out and say it! There is a dictionary definition, one word that describes that toxic blend. You're a fascist! Get them to print you a T-shirt with fascist on it! What else is this but fascism?"

    Olbermann Hides His ?Bush is Fascist? Past As Dean Decries Calling Any President ?Fascist? | NewsBusters.org
    Then there is CNN

    Rarely is there as transparent an example of liberal media bias as the tantrum thrown by CNN's Susan Roesgen yesterday while "reporting" on a tea party, but the full extent of her bias only comes into light when you look back at her attitude toward anti-Bush protesters.

    In video posted by Paul Chesser from yesterday's CNN broadcast, Roesgen harassed a man who had a sign in which Obama was portrayed as a fascist with a Hitler mustache. "Why be so hard on the President of the United States though with such an offensive message?" an indignant Roesgen hollered.

    Yet back in 2006, when she was covering protests against the Bush administration's response to Katrina, she jokingly referred to this photo of a man wearing a mask with devil horns and a Hitler mustache as a Bush "look-alike." (Video available at NewsBusters).

    The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Flashback: In 2006, CNN's Roesgen Joked About Bush/Hitler Mask
    Next!


    The same thing is happening here.

    Not even close.


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