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How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

j-mac

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I had never heard of Jed Brandt before seeing Beck use his Brecht forum appearance the other day on his show on FOX. I was taken back by the brash, brazenness of this man's speech, and the outward contempt for this country, as he is an American, and grew up here in America.

here is his appearence:


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecijzR8HZd4"]YouTube- Jed Brandt at Brecht Forum Part 1.avi[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEEtScHIC1U&NR=1"]YouTube- Jed Brandt at Brecht Forum, on "The Van Jones Effect" Part 2[/ame]


And following the piece from Beck:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSZM9PfEq_M&feature=related"]YouTube- Glenn Beck and the COMMUNIST Brecht Forum members[/ame]


Ok


So how many of you here in DP agree with this communist? And how is what he is saying any different from that of Obama's inner circle?


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOgmwyfKuL8&feature=player_embedded#"]YouTube- Glenn Beck exposes Color of Change co-founder Van Jones[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Obamas Right hand Man Andy Stern of SEIU[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN5svs6FGo&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Glenn Beck- Mao Tse Tung Exposed (Edited Version)[/ame]


As far as I can see? Not a damned thing!


:Hat tip: to Jane Q. Public for the video back up at Jed Brandt, The Bald Brecht Communist, Wants To Destroy This Nation Jane Q. Public


Now I shall be interested in the responses.


j-mac
 
Bizarre...you ask people to make a case for how one thing is not another?! Why are you soliciting arguments? That is not how this works. You need to make a stronger case that one thing is another. "as far as I can see, because I obviously don't know what the hell socialism is" ... or... "because Beck says so in this here video" is not good enough.
 
Bizarre...you ask people to make a case for how one thing is not another?! Why are you soliciting arguments? That is not how this works. You need to make a stronger case that one thing is another. "as far as I can see, because I obviously don't know what the hell socialism is" ... or... "because Beck says so in this here video" is not good enough.


Here are the questions from the OP:

So how many of you here in DP agree with this communist? And how is what he is saying any different from that of Obama's inner circle?

Care to answer, or just continue to try and derail the thread?


j-mac
 
You would do better to remove your inappropriate objections to this guy and his views:

1. This is really irrelevant to Obama, he even voiced contempt for how Obama is running things, comparing it to the Bush era.

2. His brazeness, speaking out critically about the U.S., his place of origin, all irrelevant.

And instead focus on the ideas he presents:
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3. His ideas about the following taken from the video and rephrased as best as I can recall:
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a. Communism offers a government where people not objects, but in charge of their own destiny.

This appears to be the opposite of reality, i.e. false. Communism eliminates individual ownership and effort, in favor of communal ownership and distribution. It in fact, treats you like a cloned object of the many. You are a unit, in a multi-unit, homogenous, group. Your individual effort, or desires, are less releavnt, and less experessed. On the other end of the spectrum, Capitalism allows individual ownership, and individual pursuit of happiness and destiny control. To me it appears that he's confused, or lying. If we could re-boot his brain and present the actual information, I think he'd be a die-hard capitalist.

b. And when people can't use government to force people to have good schools, good welfare, etc, they get fed up and leave government to do it on their own.

Yes, um, that's the point. You aren't supposed to use government to do things that individuals are supposed to be doing. And that's a testament to the U.S. that these types of individuals find it very hard to pursue that agenda, when it is contrary to what has allowed the U.S. to be safe and prosperous, and relatively stable in this short time.

c. The enemy is capitalism.
Of course contradictory to his idea of indivudal destiny vs treated like an object....(see (a) above), but taken on its face wasn't he earlier in the video belly aching about how the opponents see communism as the enemy? Whatever.

Bash conservatism all you like, but it's hard to argue against maintaining one of the most free, prosperous, and empowering ways of life throughout human history.
 
I don't disagree with your posting Mach...but I see alot of this guy's sentiment displayed in segments of the Obama administration. That the administration is hamstrung beyond what this guy thinks is not to his liking is irrelevant. The point is that Obama and this ****bird are on the same page.


j-mac
 
The point is that Obama and this ****bird are on the same page.
so when I ask you to explain how, I'm derailing the thread. O-kay.
 
How is this guy different from Obama's inner circle?

Simply put, he is not any different. Kudos to Glenn Beck for exposing this American hating radical.
 
so when I ask you to explain how, I'm derailing the thread. O-kay.


Ok, you're right, maybe yours and Mach's postings are similar in the way they are laid out, obviously from different sides of the spectrum though. so tell us what do you see as the flaw in comparing this Socialist/Marxist in NYC to that of the people that Obama seems to surround himself with on policy making?


j-mac
 
Ok, you're right, maybe yours and Mach's postings are similar in the way they are laid out, obviously from different sides of the spectrum though. so tell us what do you see as the flaw in comparing this Socialist/Marxist in NYC to that of the people that Obama seems to surround himself with on policy making?


j-mac

Easy, the flaw in comparing Brandt with the Obama team is that there is no compelling evidence that they are the same. Obama and Co are not communists.

Alarmist wingnut hyperbole got used on the last administration. The Bush team were called "Fascists." They weren't. The same thing is happening here.
 
Easy, the flaw in comparing Brandt with the Obama team is that there is no compelling evidence that they are the same. Obama and Co are not communists.


I disagree. Many of Obama's inner circle are "Progressives" What are they "Progressing" to?


Alarmist wingnut hyperbole got used on the last administration.


I agree. From the left.


The Bush team were called "Fascists." They weren't.


Really? Liberals never called Bush a Fascist?


Then why does this come to mind:

Keith Olberman said:
February 14, 2008 (Special Comment)

"If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business, come out and say it! There is a dictionary definition, one word that describes that toxic blend. You're a fascist! Get them to print you a T-shirt with fascist on it! What else is this but fascism?"

Olbermann Hides His ?Bush is Fascist? Past As Dean Decries Calling Any President ?Fascist? | NewsBusters.org

Then there is CNN

Rarely is there as transparent an example of liberal media bias as the tantrum thrown by CNN's Susan Roesgen yesterday while "reporting" on a tea party, but the full extent of her bias only comes into light when you look back at her attitude toward anti-Bush protesters.

In video posted by Paul Chesser from yesterday's CNN broadcast, Roesgen harassed a man who had a sign in which Obama was portrayed as a fascist with a Hitler mustache. "Why be so hard on the President of the United States though with such an offensive message?" an indignant Roesgen hollered.

Yet back in 2006, when she was covering protests against the Bush administration's response to Katrina, she jokingly referred to this photo of a man wearing a mask with devil horns and a Hitler mustache as a Bush "look-alike." (Video available at NewsBusters).

The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Flashback: In 2006, CNN's Roesgen Joked About Bush/Hitler Mask

Next!


The same thing is happening here.


Not even close.


j-mac
 
I disagree. Many of Obama's inner circle are "Progressives" What are they "Progressing" to?
Prove they are "progressives" and then explain to us what you think "progressivism" entails. Thanks in advance.

Really? Liberals never called Bush a Fascist?
You misunderstand. He said Bush was called a "Fascist" and was not one, just like Obama is being called a "Communist" and "Socialist" but is not one.
 
Prove they are "progressives" and then explain to us what you think "progressivism" entails. Thanks in advance.


Nice try, you think that by loading me down in some definitive way so that you can pick my definitions apart line by line is going to work? Let's just say that the man in the op video, and many in the Obama administration, other than hair cut, are cut from the same cloth.


You misunderstand. He said Bush was called a "Fascist" and was not one, just like Obama is being called a "Communist" and "Socialist" but is not one.


Ok, I went back and looked at it again, and you could be right. Not withstanding though, the fact is that liberals just love to assign labels to conservatives such as "racist, homophobe, fascist, and etc...." Now when it starts being questioned that Obama, and team may actually have an agenda of the destruction of capitalism, in favor of a more Euro Socialist setting, you all freak out.....


j-mac
 
Nice try, you think that by loading me down in some definitive way so that you can pick my definitions apart line by line is going to work? Let's just say that the man in the op video, and many in the Obama administration, other than hair cut, are cut from the same cloth.
So you cannot tell us what a "Progressive" is? Okay, that's telling.


Ok, I went back and looked at it again, and you could be right. Not withstanding though, the fact is that liberals just love to assign labels to conservatives such as "racist, homophobe, fascist, and etc...."
Much like hyperpartisan Conservatives love to do the same exact thing with different words. :doh

Now when it starts being questioned that Obama, and team may actually have an agenda of the destruction of capitalism, in favor of a more Euro Socialist setting, you all freak out.....
What do you mean by "you all"?
 
So you cannot tell us what a "Progressive" is? Okay, that's telling.


Oh I could, I just don't feel like maxing out the character limitations from screen to screen making your arse look foolish, all to have you just come back after my hard work, and say something seemingly intelligent like "Nuh uh!"


Much like hyperpartisan Conservatives love to do the same exact thing with different words.


Doubtful that you could show anything even close to the same sort of rhetoric that liberals thrust toward defaming conservatives.


What do you mean by "you all"?


Oh I don't know....Libertarians that are actually liberals hiding from their true nature and label in here....I am not saying you are one of course, but I have to wonder with todays contributions.....;):mrgreen:


j-mac
 
Oh I could, I just don't feel like maxing out the character limitations from screen to screen making your arse look foolish, all to have you just come back after my hard work, and say something seemingly intelligent like "Nuh uh!"
Talk is cheap. :shrug:

Doubtful that you could show anything even close to the same sort of rhetoric that liberals thrust toward defaming conservatives.
I think you guys are both idiots when it comes to defaming each other. The point is that both sides do it. If you fail to recognize this, nothing I can do will change your mind.

Oh I don't know....Libertarians that are actually liberals hiding from their true nature and label in here....I am not saying you are one of course, but I have to wonder with todays contributions.....;):mrgreen:
I've never met a Liberal in Libertarian clothing. Just because I call you out because you can't define the term "progressive" doesn't mean I side with Democrats.
 
Talk is cheap. :shrug:


I think you guys are both idiots when it comes to defaming each other. The point is that both sides do it. If you fail to recognize this, nothing I can do will change your mind.


I've never met a Liberal in Libertarian clothing. Just because I call you out because you can't define the term "progressive" doesn't mean I side with Democrats.


Ok, *Sigh* Fair enough, But this will take some time in compiling so be patient and I will do my best....


j-mac
 
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