Joe Biden

Ethereal · 11-28-09, 02:07 PM

People on the right like to insult Joe Biden's intellect and undermine his credibility as a serious person; similar to the treatment liberals lavished upon Bush.

I believe both characterizations are unfair and baseless.

Honestly, I like Joe Biden. I certainly don't agree with his many of his positions, but I think he's honest and open, at least, more so than your average politician. He's also very experienced.

I don't have a problem with him telling a foreign official that they have many pretty girls in their country. What the hell is wrong with that!?

I don't think his defecit spending remark was out of the ordinary, since it's standard Keynesian economic theory, which the majority of liberal and centrist politicians adhere to.

I think Biden's gaffes, much like Bush's were, are overly fixated upon in an attempt to dismiss him.

CaptainCourtesy · 11-28-09, 02:09 PM

I agree with you. Biden was actually my first choice for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2004. Always thought he was experienced and intelligent...and got the same poor treatment that Bush got from hacks from the other side.

obvious Child · 11-28-09, 02:26 PM

Biden is probably the best man for that position. He's got absolutely no filter or control over what comes out of his mouth, if he thinks it he says it. And with Obama in office, the last thing we need is a yes man in the Vice Presidency. So a VP with no capacity to think before he talks is somewhat of a benefit.

bhkad · 11-28-09, 02:31 PM

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At the Tuesday-morning meeting with committee staffers, Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: “I’m groping here.” Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we’re not bent on its destruction. “Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran,” Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face.

The staffers sit in silence. Finally somebody ventures a response: “I think they’d send it back.” Then another aide speaks up delicately: “The thing I would worry about is that it would almost look like a publicity stunt.” Still another reminds Biden that an Iranian delegation is in Moscow that very day to discuss a $300 million arms deal with Vladimir Putin that the United States has strongly condemned. But Joe Biden is barely listening anymore. He’s already moved on to something else.

Hot Air Blog Archive Biden’s foreign-policy chops

This opened my eyes about Biden's nature.

Crunch · 11-28-09, 02:31 PM

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For all the focus on Sarah Palin's graceful performance in Thursday's vice presidential showdown, a more significant spectacle was taking place behind the other rostrum.

That's where Joe Biden, speaking with the pompus self-importance befitting his 36 years in the Senate, told one baffling fib after another.

Some, of course, were just Biden being Biden. He smeared Dick Cheney as "the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history."

To which we must take specific offense: After all, the founder of this newspaper, Alexander Hamilton, was killed in a duel by then-Vice President Aaron Burr. (Certainly Burr was a better shot than Cheney.)

But that's a matter of opinion.

Not so, some other Biden gems:

* It's "simply not true" that Barack Obama said he'd meet Iran's president without preconditions, Biden insisted.

Yet when Obama was asked if he would in a debate during the primaries, he said yes - a position Biden back then termed "naive."

* Biden said he's "always supported" clean-coal technology - after stating emphatically only last month, "We're not supporting clean coal."

* Biden asserted - repeatedly - that the US spends more money on three weeks' combat in Iraq than it's spent in Afghanistan since the war began.

That claim's only remotely intelligible if he limits Afghan expenditures merely to US rebuilding efforts - and even then, he's off by a factor of three, according to State Department numbers.

* Also on Afghanistan, Biden insisted - repeatedly - that "our commanding general in Afghanistan said the surge principle in Iraq will not work" there.

That may not be an out-and-out lie, but it took supposed foreign-policy neophyte Sarah Palin to bring any context or nuance to the statement.

What Gen. David McKiernan had said was that tribal realities in Afghanistan are very different than in Iraq - requiring a different form of cooperation.

But he flatly said more troops, and more local engagement, are needed.

Sounds like a surge to us.

* Then there was what might have been the biggest head-scratcher of the night. Said Biden of the Bush administration's supposed Middle East follies:

"When . . . along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

Huh?

Assuming that Biden was referring to when, in 2005, American and French pressure helped the Lebanese people kick Syriantroops out of Lebanon, who ever thought NATO occupation of that deeply divided country was a good idea?

As if America's NATO allies would have gone in the first place.

But hey, as long as it makes Biden sound presidential.

At some point, Americans have to wonder: Is this a fellow who should be a heartbeat away from the White House?

THE LIES BIDEN TOLD - NYPOST.com

What he said.....

Ethereal · 11-28-09, 02:41 PM

Yes, Joe Biden lies and says stupid things. He's a politician, that's his job.

I just think he's a genuine guy. At least he's open with his views. Do I think we should cut Iran a $200 million dollar check? Hardly. Am I glad that Biden admits he thought about it? Yup...

Biden is a guy I can respectfully disagree with; that's all.

MrVicchio · 11-28-09, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy

I agree with you. Biden was actually my first choice for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2004. Always thought he was experienced and intelligent...and got the same poor treatment that Bush got from hacks from the other side.

Biden? Mr. "Indian Accent" guy?

YouTube- Biden Indian

obvious Child · 11-28-09, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crunch

THE LIES BIDEN TOLD - NYPOST.com

What he said.....

Okay. You have tapes to prove that he knew what he was saying was false?

See Glenn Beck Lies thread.

obvious Child · 11-28-09, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

Yes, Joe Biden lies and says stupid things. He's a politician, that's his job.

I just think he's a genuine guy. At least he's open with his views. Do I think we should cut Iran a $200 million dollar check? Hardly. Am I glad that Biden admits he thought about it? Yup...

Biden is a guy I can respectfully disagree with; that's all.

LOL. Biden is a real life example of people in the movie "The Invention of Lying."

Jackboot · 11-28-09, 02:50 PM

Joe Biden is what is wrong with washington, period, end of story.

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Ethereal Capitalist Fat-Cat Join Date: Sep 2005 Last Seen: Yesterday 10:21 PM Location: Chicago Posts: 8,189 Thanks: 7,738 Thanked 4,166 Times in 2,348 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender: Total Awards: 1	Joe Biden People on the right like to insult Joe Biden's intellect and undermine his credibility as a serious person; similar to the treatment liberals lavished upon Bush. I believe both characterizations are unfair and baseless. Honestly, I like Joe Biden. I certainly don't agree with his many of his positions, but I think he's honest and open, at least, more so than your average politician. He's also very experienced. I don't have a problem with him telling a foreign official that they have many pretty girls in their country. What the hell is wrong with that!? I don't think his defecit spending remark was out of the ordinary, since it's standard Keynesian economic theory, which the majority of liberal and centrist politicians adhere to. I think Biden's gaffes, much like Bush's were, are overly fixated upon in an attempt to dismiss him.

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CaptainCourtesy Resident Despot Mod Team Member Join Date: May 2006 Last Seen: Today 05:30 AM Posts: 32,827 Thanks: 9,784 Thanked 9,347 Times in 5,654 Posts Gender: Total Awards: 1	Re: Joe Biden I agree with you. Biden was actually my first choice for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2004. Always thought he was experienced and intelligent...and got the same poor treatment that Bush got from hacks from the other side.
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obvious Child Aiming Anti-Stupid Gun Join Date: Apr 2008 Last Seen: 03-18-10 02:12 AM Location: Land of the Anti-Stupid Posts: 8,407 Thanks: 882 Thanked 1,674 Times in 1,219 Posts	Re: Joe Biden Biden is probably the best man for that position. He's got absolutely no filter or control over what comes out of his mouth, if he thinks it he says it. And with Obama in office, the last thing we need is a yes man in the Vice Presidency. So a VP with no capacity to think before he talks is somewhat of a benefit.
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Ethereal Capitalist Fat-Cat Join Date: Sep 2005 Last Seen: Yesterday 10:21 PM Location: Chicago Posts: 8,189 Thanks: 7,738 Thanked 4,166 Times in 2,348 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender: Total Awards: 1	Re: Joe Biden Yes, Joe Biden lies and says stupid things. He's a politician, that's his job. I just think he's a genuine guy. At least he's open with his views. Do I think we should cut Iran a $200 million dollar check? Hardly. Am I glad that Biden admits he thought about it? Yup... Biden is a guy I can respectfully disagree with; that's all.

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Jackboot Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Last Seen: 01-21-10 12:59 PM Posts: 744 Thanks: 57 Thanked 143 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Joe Biden Joe Biden is what is wrong with washington, period, end of story.

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