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    CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

    Example #1 of how right-wing groups are misleading / misinforming the public on the health care bill.

    The group says premiums could nearly double for those who buy their own insurance. Experts we consulted disagree.


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    The latest ad from the group Conservatives for Patients’ Rights claims that "new rules could hike your health insurance premiums 95 percent." That’s misleading.
    The claim in the ad refers to only 5 percent of Americans who have health insurance – those who buy it on their own.

    The claim comes from an analysis by a group that advocates for insurance carriers that sell policies in the individual market, among other areas.

    That analysis also doesn’t take into consideration several elements of leading congressional legislation that other experts say will keep premium costs down – and in fact, lower premiums for some. Other independent studies show premium costs decreasing on average for Americans that currently have health coverage.

    It’s not true that any of the health care overhaul measures that have been approved by committees in Congress would add "a trillion to the federal deficit," as the ad says. The Senate bill would add roughly $597 billion over 10 years, and the House bill that was approved by the Ways and Means Committee in mid-July would add a much smaller $239 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
    I support an honest and thoughtful debate on health care reform, starting with pro/con look at the current bill(s) before congress. The GOP seems to be taking a different tact--fear and fiction.
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    Re: CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

    There will be tons of these in the next month or more. They are waging a campaign of lies and deceit that many in America will swallow whole. It's entirely unfortunate on a number of levels. One, that they fall for it in the first place. Two, that conservatives don't call these people out for telling said lies and attempt to shut them down.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Hmmmmm.....The Annenberg project? Didn't Barry used to work for a wing of those folks? I think he did.....


    William Ayers' Role In Obama's Appointment As Annenberg Challenge Chairman

    Little Green Footballs - William Ayers' Role In Obama's Appointment As Annenberg Challenge Chairman

    that's right......Good God man, if you are going to spam the boards at least use some credible sourcing.


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    Re: CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmmm.....The Annenberg project? Didn't Barry used to work for a wing of those folks? I think he did.....





    that's right......Good God man, if you are going to spam the boards at least use some credible sourcing.


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    Good god almighty, do you even know what the Annenberg project is? Who exactly founded the Annenberg project? Go educate yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    There will be tons of these in the next month or more. They are waging a campaign of lies and deceit that many in America will swallow whole. It's entirely unfortunate on a number of levels. One, that they fall for it in the first place. Two, that conservatives don't call these people out for telling said lies and attempt to shut them down.
    ....err ...the people telling the lies are proxies of the republicans ...in other words ...they are the conservatives.

    And these are the people who profess democracy ...look ....there are only two kinds of republicans ...those who know what they are doing ...and are very comfortable being hypocrites! Or those who are just plain idiots!

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    Re: CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Example #1 of how right-wing groups are misleading / misinforming the public on the health care bill.

    I support an honest and thoughtful debate on health care reform, starting with pro/con look at the current bill(s) before congress. The GOP seems to be taking a different tact--fear and fiction.
    You mean that an interest group is running misleading commercials? Holy ****, stop the presses.

    This is obviously something that should be used to draw conclusions about the GOP as a whole, rather than something that affects groups from both sides. Plus, it sounds a lot cooler to accuse an entire party of preying on fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Good god almighty, do you even know what the Annenberg project is? Who exactly founded the Annenberg project? Go educate yourself.


    CAC seems to have gone through $110 million to fund an educational program which two assessments — one by the Annenberg Foundation and one by an outside team — both found had accomplished nothing for the public school children of Chicago. It is still unclear how and why Obama was made chair of the CAC, but so far it seems that former Weathermen bomb-maker and leader Bill Ayers picked him for the slot.

    In any event, contrary to Obama’s early efforts to brush off his relationship with Ayers through a series of false claims, Ayers applied for and got the CAC grant, was chair of the other collaborative group that closely worked with CAC, was present at board meetings and retreats with Obama, and was considered an “ex officio” member of CAC’s board.

    The CAC files show the organization funneled money to activist organizations and did so on ideological grounds, favoring applications that focused on ethnic identity and bilingual education and turning down grant proposals which did not. Thus, CAC funded a Juneteenth effort by the South Shore African Village Collaboration and a peace school but rejected proposals by the Chicago Algebra Project aimed at increasing student achievement and the District 5 Math Science Initiative which was trying to increase the math and science competence of Hispanic youngsters.

    Kurtz added that Obama’s pre-CAC organizing work for the Gamaliel Foundation was for a group whose views were remarkably like Obama’s “spiritual mentor” Rev. Wright’s anti-American liberation philosophy. He recommended the book Doing Justice: Congregation and Communities, by Dennis Jacobsen, which he described in an NRO article “Senator Stealth.” Notable is not only the views of this organization but that like all organizing groups founded on the work of Saul Alinsky, the organizers were practiced at hiding their extreme leftist views, a tactic considered essential to gain credence with the groups they were working with. He also noted that these racial spoils schemes and redistributionist views were utterly consistent with all the positions Obama took as a state senator.


    Pajamas Media What Lurks in the Ayers-Annenberg Files?

    Yep, I know who they are, and what they were founded on is directly opposite to what they have been hijacked into by the socialist left in this country.


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    Re: CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmmm.....The Annenberg project? Didn't Barry used to work for a wing of those folks? I think he did.....





    that's right......Good God man, if you are going to spam the boards at least use some credible sourcing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, I know who they are, and what they were founded on is directly opposite to what they have been hijacked into by the socialist left in this country.


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    That is a stupid conspiracy source. How about doing some research on the founding of the AP for once. Again, more right wing lies for the world to see. Gotta love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    That is a stupid conspiracy source. How about doing some research on the founding of the AP for once. Again, more right wing lies for the world to see. Gotta love it.

    Like I said, the founding has little resemblance to what it has become....I guess you missed that....


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