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Example #1 of how right-wing groups are misleading / misinforming the public on the health care bill.

The group says premiums could nearly double for those who buy their own insurance. Experts we consulted disagree.


Summary
The latest ad from the group Conservatives for Patients’ Rights claims that "new rules could hike your health insurance premiums 95 percent." That’s misleading.
The claim in the ad refers to only 5 percent of Americans who have health insurance – those who buy it on their own.

The claim comes from an analysis by a group that advocates for insurance carriers that sell policies in the individual market, among other areas.

That analysis also doesn’t take into consideration several elements of leading congressional legislation that other experts say will keep premium costs down – and in fact, lower premiums for some. Other independent studies show premium costs decreasing on average for Americans that currently have health coverage.

It’s not true that any of the health care overhaul measures that have been approved by committees in Congress would add "a trillion to the federal deficit," as the ad says. The Senate bill would add roughly $597 billion over 10 years, and the House bill that was approved by the Ways and Means Committee in mid-July would add a much smaller $239 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

I support an honest and thoughtful debate on health care reform, starting with pro/con look at the current bill(s) before congress. The GOP seems to be taking a different tact--fear and fiction.
 
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There will be tons of these in the next month or more. They are waging a campaign of lies and deceit that many in America will swallow whole. It's entirely unfortunate on a number of levels. One, that they fall for it in the first place. Two, that conservatives don't call these people out for telling said lies and attempt to shut them down.
 
Hmmmmm.....The Annenberg project? Didn't Barry used to work for a wing of those folks? I think he did.....





that's right......Good God man, if you are going to spam the boards at least use some credible sourcing.


j-mac

Good god almighty, do you even know what the Annenberg project is? Who exactly founded the Annenberg project? Go educate yourself. :rofl
 
There will be tons of these in the next month or more. They are waging a campaign of lies and deceit that many in America will swallow whole. It's entirely unfortunate on a number of levels. One, that they fall for it in the first place. Two, that conservatives don't call these people out for telling said lies and attempt to shut them down.

....err ...the people telling the lies are proxies of the republicans ...in other words ...they are the conservatives.

And these are the people who profess democracy ...look ....there are only two kinds of republicans ...those who know what they are doing ...and are very comfortable being hypocrites! Or those who are just plain idiots!
 
Example #1 of how right-wing groups are misleading / misinforming the public on the health care bill.

I support an honest and thoughtful debate on health care reform, starting with pro/con look at the current bill(s) before congress. The GOP seems to be taking a different tact--fear and fiction.

You mean that an interest group is running misleading commercials? Holy ****, stop the presses.

This is obviously something that should be used to draw conclusions about the GOP as a whole, rather than something that affects groups from both sides. Plus, it sounds a lot cooler to accuse an entire party of preying on fear.
 
Good god almighty, do you even know what the Annenberg project is? Who exactly founded the Annenberg project? Go educate yourself. :rofl



CAC seems to have gone through $110 million to fund an educational program which two assessments — one by the Annenberg Foundation and one by an outside team — both found had accomplished nothing for the public school children of Chicago. It is still unclear how and why Obama was made chair of the CAC, but so far it seems that former Weathermen bomb-maker and leader Bill Ayers picked him for the slot.

In any event, contrary to Obama’s early efforts to brush off his relationship with Ayers through a series of false claims, Ayers applied for and got the CAC grant, was chair of the other collaborative group that closely worked with CAC, was present at board meetings and retreats with Obama, and was considered an “ex officio” member of CAC’s board.

The CAC files show the organization funneled money to activist organizations and did so on ideological grounds, favoring applications that focused on ethnic identity and bilingual education and turning down grant proposals which did not. Thus, CAC funded a Juneteenth effort by the South Shore African Village Collaboration and a peace school but rejected proposals by the Chicago Algebra Project aimed at increasing student achievement and the District 5 Math Science Initiative which was trying to increase the math and science competence of Hispanic youngsters.

Kurtz added that Obama’s pre-CAC organizing work for the Gamaliel Foundation was for a group whose views were remarkably like Obama’s “spiritual mentor” Rev. Wright’s anti-American liberation philosophy. He recommended the book Doing Justice: Congregation and Communities, by Dennis Jacobsen, which he described in an NRO article “Senator Stealth.” Notable is not only the views of this organization but that like all organizing groups founded on the work of Saul Alinsky, the organizers were practiced at hiding their extreme leftist views, a tactic considered essential to gain credence with the groups they were working with. He also noted that these racial spoils schemes and redistributionist views were utterly consistent with all the positions Obama took as a state senator.


Pajamas Media What Lurks in the Ayers-Annenberg Files?


Yep, I know who they are, and what they were founded on is directly opposite to what they have been hijacked into by the socialist left in this country.


j-mac
 
Hmmmmm.....The Annenberg project? Didn't Barry used to work for a wing of those folks? I think he did.....





that's right......Good God man, if you are going to spam the boards at least use some credible sourcing.


j-mac

That tin hat looks good on you.
 
Yep, I know who they are, and what they were founded on is directly opposite to what they have been hijacked into by the socialist left in this country.


j-mac

That is a stupid conspiracy source. How about doing some research on the founding of the AP for once. Again, more right wing lies for the world to see. Gotta love it. :rofl
 
That is a stupid conspiracy source. How about doing some research on the founding of the AP for once. Again, more right wing lies for the world to see. Gotta love it. :rofl


Like I said, the founding has little resemblance to what it has become....I guess you missed that....


j-mac
 
Like I said, the founding has little resemblance to what it has become....I guess you missed that....


j-mac

You are obviously woefully clueless as to who Walter Annenberg was, what he did, and what he promoted. I guess you can also ignore in your world that Walter Annenberg was alive and well when Barrack Obama was palling around with that terrorist Bill Ayers as they worked for the Annenberg foundation.

Oh, I suppose you can also just ignore that his wife Leonore Annenberg was the president, chairman and sole director for the Annenberg Foundation.

Enjoy...:2wave:
 
You are obviously woefully clueless as to who Walter Annenberg was, what he did, and what he promoted. I guess you can also ignore in your world that Walter Annenberg was alive and well when Barrack Obama was palling around with that terrorist Bill Ayers as they worked for the Annenberg foundation.

Oh, I suppose you can also just ignore that his wife Leonore Annenberg was the president, chairman and sole director for the Annenberg Foundation.

Enjoy...:2wave:



here is an interesting read....Enjoy


A Few Facts and Observations
First, keep in mind: Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.

William (Bill) Ayers, unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist and a friend of the Obamas, was instrumental in founding the Challenge, thanks to his ties to Mayor Richard Daley. The first Daley was also a pal of Thomas Ayers, Bill’s father, former CEO of ComEd (owned by Exelon).

[Incidentally, the current CEO of ComEd, Frank M. Clark, is a major money bundler for the Obama campaign.]

You’ll recall from Wednesday’s story that the Annenberg files have suddenly been locked down under mysterious circumstances, after a reporter was promised access.

Factcheck.org, used as a resource by so many who wish to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama, is also a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.

You’ll recall that Factcheck was the second site to publish the now-suspect Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) reportedly received from the Obama campaign.

[The Annenberg Foundation and family has an interesting history that we may examine in more detail.]

Second, keep in mind that ACORN has received payments of nearly a million dollars from the Barack Obama Campaign in 2008, as NancyA reported on this blog Aug. 15. Apparently the payments were funneled through Citizens Services Inc., and may have been falsely reported to the FEC.

The Senator has been working with ACORN since his first days as a Community Organizer in Chicago:

“In 1992, Acorn Hired Mr. Obama To Run A Voter Registration Effort. He Later Became A Trainer For The Group, As Well As Its Lawyer In Election Law Cases.” (John Fund, Op-Ed, “Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops,” “The Wall Street Journal”, 7/12/08 )

and

“Representing ACORN, Obama And Other Attorneys Sued The State Of Illinois, Forcing It To Implement Federal “Motor Voter” Legislation That Makes It Easier For The Poor And Minorities To Register To Vote.” (”Some Cases Obama Worked On In His Career As An Attorney,” “The Associated Press”, 2/20/07). Hence again impartiality is not possible.

More Press Quotes on ACORN:

ACORN Used “In Your Face” Tactics Like Disrupting Hearings, Bursting Into City Council Meetings, And Protesting Mayor’s Homes. (Stanley Kurtz, Op-Ed, “Inside Obama’s Acorn,” “National Review”, 5/29/08 )

“ACORN Has Been Accused Of Voter Fraud In 13 StatesSince 2004 And Was Convicted Of Falsifying Signatures In A Voter Registration Drive Last July, Drawing A Fine Of $25,000 In Washington State.” (Editorial, “George Soros: The Man, The Mind And The Money Behind MoveOn,” “Investor’s Business Daily”, 9/21/07)

“ACORN Has Been Implicated In Similar Schemes In 14 Other States - Including Ohio, Where A Worker Traded Crack Cocaine For Fraudulent Registrations.” (Editorial, “Another ACORN Scandal,” “New York Post”, 7/13/08 )

[Notice that the first of these quotes is from the very man (Kurtz, from National Review) who has been denied access on flimsy, and possibly illegal grounds, to the Annenberg Files.]

Meanwhile, keep in mind: ACORN has been a beneficiary of grants from the Chicago-based Woods Fund, which has a history of issuing controversial grants. Ayres and Obama served together on the Fund’s board (and are still listed). [Other grantees during their tenure included PLO employee Rashid Khalidi and the Obamas' church, Trinity United.]

Conclusions

Are you starting to see the potential connections and conflicts of interest? Here’s what we see:

1. Potential conflict of interest between Obama and anything funded by the Annenbergs, including Factcheck.org. [For starters, why were they one of only a small handful of media to get a copy of the COLB?]

2. Obvious conflict of interest between Obama and ACORN: He has been directly involved in funding ACORN, has worked for ACORN, and is now PAYING ACORN in exchange for assistance to his campaign.

3. What kind of assistance is ACORN providing the campaign? When we read about ACORN’s expertise in “voter fraud” and “in-your-face” tactics, it instantly reminded us of Obama’s caucus fraud tricks (see Wednesday’s story).

4. Is there a direct connection between the Annenberg Foundation and ACORN, or are they just three degrees of separation apart, with Ayres and Obama smack in the middle? We are curious about that. [Walter Annenberg, founder of the $500 million gift that funded the Annenberg Challenge, had deeply rooted Chicago ties that clearly intersect with some of the same ties to Thomas and William Ayres.]


Obama, Ayers, Annenberg, and ACORN: a family affair? TD Blog
 
here is an interesting read....Enjoy

Wow, so now you linked to someone that probably does not know who the Annenbergs are as well. You do realize that Walter Annenberg was a very close friend to Ronald Reagan? So if the Annenbergs are corruptly evil for using ACORN, and Leonore Annenberg endorsed John McCain, and John McCain attended in 2006 an ACORN sponsored event that was co-sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese .....

My god man, do you know what this means? DA VINCI CODE....everybody run!

My god, was Ronald Reagan, who associated with Walter, who used ACORN......a Communist? This is absolutely diabolical. I get it now, Reagan was not trying to defeat Communism, he was secretly planning with ACORN to turn the U.S. into a Communist satellite state.

Seriously, I always found it humorous last fall how Republicans could not understand that when some poor schmuck working for ACORN turned in Mickey Mouse's registration, this was NOT voter fraud. Unless you are named Mickey Mouse, lived in that polling district, had identification, you could not commit voter fraud. On the other hand, these people did defraud ACORN who paid them to register voters.

On the other hand, you do seem to cutely ignore one Mark Jacoby, who working for the GOP actually committed voter-registration fraud last fall.

Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case

Owner of registration company pleads guilty to voter fraud
 
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Wow, so now you linked to someone that probably does not know who the Annenbergs are as well. You do realize that Walter Annenberg was a very close friend to Ronald Reagan? So if the Annenbergs are corruptly evil for using ACORN, and Leonore Annenberg endorsed John McCain, and John McCain attended in 2006 an ACORN sponsored event that was co-sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese .....

My god man, do you know what this means? DA VINCI CODE....everybody run!

My god, was Ronald Reagan, who associated with Walter, who used ACORN......a Communist? This is absolutely diabolical. I get it now, Reagan was not trying to defeat Communism, he was secretly planning with ACORN to turn the U.S. into a Communist satellite state.

Seriously, I always found it humorous last fall how Republicans could not understand that when some poor schmuck working for ACORN turned in Mickey Mouse's registration, this was NOT voter fraud. Unless you are named Mickey Mouse, lived in that polling district, had identification, you could not commit voter fraud. On the other hand, these people did defraud ACORN who paid them to register voters.

On the other hand, you do seem to cutely ignore one Mark Jacoby, who working for the GOP actually committed voter-registration fraud last fall.

Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case

Owner of registration company pleads guilty to voter fraud

Unfortunately, I doubt facts will persuade anyone that buys the whole ACORN garbage anyway. But, I gotta say :thumbs: to your post! The stupidity from the right just keeps getting circulated over and over and they just can't seem to listen to reason. I am always shocked that people buy the garbage handed to them by the talking heads on AM radio.
 
Unfortunately, I doubt facts will persuade anyone that buys the whole ACORN garbage anyway. But, I gotta say :thumbs: to your post! The stupidity from the right just keeps getting circulated over and over and they just can't seem to listen to reason. I am always shocked that people buy the garbage handed to them by the talking heads on AM radio.


Is that all you do here is flame and antagonize? What purpose do you serve other than to make yourself a laughable parody of the preverbal underwear contributor?


j-mac
 
Wow, so now you linked to someone that probably does not know who the Annenbergs are as well. You do realize that Walter Annenberg was a very close friend to Ronald Reagan? So if the Annenbergs are corruptly evil for using ACORN, and Leonore Annenberg endorsed John McCain, and John McCain attended in 2006 an ACORN sponsored event that was co-sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese .....

My god man, do you know what this means? DA VINCI CODE....everybody run!

My god, was Ronald Reagan, who associated with Walter, who used ACORN......a Communist? This is absolutely diabolical. I get it now, Reagan was not trying to defeat Communism, he was secretly planning with ACORN to turn the U.S. into a Communist satellite state.

Seriously, I always found it humorous last fall how Republicans could not understand that when some poor schmuck working for ACORN turned in Mickey Mouse's registration, this was NOT voter fraud. Unless you are named Mickey Mouse, lived in that polling district, had identification, you could not commit voter fraud. On the other hand, these people did defraud ACORN who paid them to register voters.

On the other hand, you do seem to cutely ignore one Mark Jacoby, who working for the GOP actually committed voter-registration fraud last fall.

Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case

Owner of registration company pleads guilty to voter fraud


Yes, ACORN was the victim....yawn!

j-mac
 
Is that all you do here is flame and antagonize? What purpose do you serve other than to make yourself a laughable parody of the preverbal underwear contributor?


j-mac

have you read your own drivel? incredible. The projection of the right is getting worse everyday.
 
You mean that an interest group is running misleading commercials? Holy ****, stop the presses.

This is obviously something that should be used to draw conclusions about the GOP as a whole, rather than something that affects groups from both sides. Plus, it sounds a lot cooler to accuse an entire party of preying on fear.

I'm overwhelmed by the Conservatives on this board shooting down these lies because of their disgust of these scare tactics.
 
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