Ethereal

Forcefully relieving me of my money in order to pay for something I oppose on moral and practical grounds does not constitute justice - not in the least.

Your sob stories about poverty as a pretext to this robbery does nothing to change that fact.

I'm glad you challenged my assertion. I will provide evidence to the contrary:

A person working full time (forty hours a week) making eight dollars an hour will gross approximately $1,280 per month.

The "SelectBlue" plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield will cover a male who has smoked within the past twelve months for $287.80 per month. This is a premium coverage plan [1].

That leaves our hypothetical male with $992.20 per month to pay for his remaining necessities; countless thousands of people have lived on less. There is a word for people who can't maintain with $992.20 per month...idiots.

Since I'm not morally obligated to incur the burden of an idiot's poor choices I will resist any attempts which seek to impose such a burden upon me.

[1] - https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi...en=IFPAllPlans

wbreese91

I don't think any of us find this debate worth the time and effort of searching for those quotes. They were widely publicised enough during the election, but apparently your selective memory decided to forget them.

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goldendog

Good lord..now it is me that has the selective memory.

This is like going to the zoo and feeding the monkeys...

Good evening.

jallman

I know this is just an obtuse play on your part because if you followed the election at all, you know good and damned well he did make those remarks, but I will play anyway to show you how it's done.

Obama Angers Midwest Voters...

Obama: They're going to try to make you afraid of me

Also, the article says he made similar comments in other parts of the country.

So yeah, they just aren't my quotes. They never were. But you already knew that.

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goldendog

I do not find those comments to be inflammatory. I find them to be truthful.
Case in point..people being clinging to guns a religion and that very message being repeated to Rightwing crazies by Rightwing pundits and fearmongering them into killing abortion doctors for religious reasons using the guns they cling to.

President Obama was also correct on his comment reguarding his name and the way he looks. The rabid republicans did exactly that.

By the way jall your second link is from a Blog and I'm pretty sure you were just preaching yesterday to Roadie how you are above that type of thing.

I knew then it was BS, now I know it is and so will Roadie.

jallman

Somehow, I am not surprised in the least that you believe that way.

Some lone crazy with a gun in a Church does not equate to the crowd Obama was referring to.

Where did the McCain campaign do any such thing?

No, it's from the CNN political ticker. It is a hard news story that people commented on.

I don't really care how you and Roadie feel about the guidelines here at DP concerning blogs as news sources. I just care that you adhere to them.

Further, I wasn't using the blog to prove my point. Only to pull the quote. Nice attempt at making this about a completely different pile of dog**** for you to fling from, but it's not working.

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goldendog

So you don't remember Rightwing pundits trying to rile the nuts up with the "guns and religion" stuff at the teabagging rallies also telling them that Obama was coming to take their guns. At rallies that were supposedly about taxes.

Do i need to post the links of Glen Beck doing that very thing in Penn just before the nut shot the cops while clinging to his guns? Or the one where Ted Nugent is at the so-called tax related teabag rally telling people that Obama is not going to come take his guns and the one where he is on the stage waving a machine gun around telling the crowd that "Obama can suck his gun" He preformed his lame act at the San Antonio rally and Glen Beck was practically humping his leg.

jallman

Wait, I thought we were just holding the people in the administrations to the standards we were talking about. You expect me to only take exception with the things people in the Obama administration have done while holding Republicans accountable for everything the pundits say?

No, I don't think so. If you want to open the criticism to the pundits, you have to do it for both sides. So decide now before we move forward. I like the goal posts to be in the same place for both of us.

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celticlord

And you have no issue with Chris Matthews getting a thrill up one of his *ahem* "legs" whenever he hears Dear Leader speak?

goldendog

Hey Chis Mathews had the smarts and intelligence to recognize a good person when he sees it.

Now Beck's and Hannity's love of Nugent and Fox News love of Nugent is quite another thing.

Personally I think Nugent is a fine representative for the current values of the RightWingers and he should be their representative at all future Rightwing rallies.

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Ted Nugent Befouled Himself to Avoid Vietnam Draft

Pensito Review Ted Nugent Befouled Himself to Avoid Vietnam Draft


So Ted Nugent roams a concert stage while toting automatic weapons, calls Barack Obama “a piece of —–” and says he told Obama to suck on one of his machine-guns. He also calls Hillary Clinton a “worthless bitch” and Dianne Feinstein a “worthless whore.”

That Nugent, he’s a man’s man. He talks the talk and walks the walk, right?

Except when it was time to register for the draft during the Vietnam era. By his own admission, Nugent stopped all forms of personal hygiene for a month and showed up for his draft board physical in pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment. Creative!

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Perhaps Beck and Hannity should have check out this loons background before the hump his leg and invite him to represent them a rallies.

Ted "the crap master" Nugent.