MrVicchio

President Obama I believe will personify the false belief in the merits of Affirmative Action. Why do I say this?
America elected an inexperienced, untested and underqualified black man, soley on his "potential", and the white guilt factor helped keep any real questioning of him at bay. Much like the comments of Rush Limbaugh in reguards to Donovan McNabb and reporters wanting a black quarterback to succeed, the media WANTS Obama to succeed.

There was very little in the way of critical reporting on Obama, critical questions of Obamas past were ridiculed, it was hinted that dislike of the man was racist, and the media "got tingles" up their legs watching Obama. Late night comedians shy away from making fun of him. SNL did very little in the way of poking fun at him... McCain was blasted for choosing Sarah Palin, who in turn has been mocked beyond the norm for a politician. Yet... Joe Biden is on the whole, ignored? Seriously, of all the people to choose for Veep on the Left, Biden has to be low on most folks list, yet Obama wasn't hammered for his poor choice.

This brings us to the present. Six months into the Obama Presidency, and where are we? The media is still in love with Obama, his healthcare takeover is to get it's own Network news special courtesy of ABC! But what about the people? Current polling is showing a erosion of his support. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. Obama is still well liked "personally" but his ideas are ringing hollow, his performance, failing in the eyes of America.

This divergence in "liked" and "performance" is where Affirmative Action comes in. Obama was elected based on many things, but most of those are tied to his race, not his experience, not his plans. The "hope" he brought to the table. People want to like him, yet they are realizing his plans are not succeeding, his ideas... sound great in rhetoric, but fall short in implemintation. The takeover of GM has raised many eyebrows, and sown the seeds of doubt in his ability to make the right choice.

I believe people will start to regret supporting him, however, McCain wasn't a very good choice. Obama has to fear the GOP getting their act together and fielding a strong candidate in 2012, and bringing a strong challenge to the DNC in 2010 you could see a fast run back to the right.

Obama's strengths are his weakness. He's a charasimatic speaker, an inspiring voice, but a weak leader and poor performer. If he cannot get his healthcare passed, if the GM debacle drags out, his cap and trade result in high COL for Americans and his financial meddeling results in high inflation that kills any recovery... he'll be a one term President, and people will be more leery the next time a black man tries to run for President. That's a shame, because in the end, race should never be a part of the decision making process, ideas, performance, and experience should be everything.

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celticlord

I disagree. Dear Leader's ineptitude has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but with the void of his character.

He was elected on the premise that he was the anti-Bush. There is little indication that he was elected for any substantive reason other than he was not the Republican candidate (that and McCain is a horrible campaigner on the national stage).

We need more discussion of Dear Leader's race like we need more discussion of Dear Leader's Muslim faith--not at all.

This thread needs to die. Now.

MrVicchio

Where did I say his being black had anything to do with his ineptitude?
You need to read the thread next time and not inject your opinion of the title eh?

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chevydriver1123

Obama met the constitutional requirements to become President therefore AA does not come into play here. There is nothing in the constitution that requires experience in government to become president granted majority of people prefer that me included.

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MrVicchio

Did you people read the thread or just the title? Seriously?

Oye... it's amazing the lack of thread reading.. no wonder people rarely start their own threads of opinion... "Oh the title says this, so obviously the point is..."

Where in the thread did I raise the Constitution as part of the debate?

Bah...

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rathi

I don't support affirmative action. Although I believe it had its uses to cover lost ground from the problems of segregation, it has been a generation and its time is over. The new generation of kids should not be judged by anything other than their merit.

However, claiming Obama won because of AA is just pathetic. Here is a quick lesson in the presidential process: there is no affirmative action. Obama ran the better campaign and won. You don't have to like his policies to admit he was a better campaigner. I despise Bush's years in office, but I will admit he defeated Kerry expertly in 2004 using his Rovian tactics. The Bush smear machine was simply a better election strategy. Obama relied on the feel-good fluff like "hope and change" that tapped into the public's desire to get away from the Bush administration.

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UtahBill

I have been saying for many years that if we get a democrat in the WH, the blame belongs to the GOP.

The USA was due for a change from the tired old white men who love party and power more than the people. If the GOP had provided a viable candidate, one that broke with tried and true methods of failing, the outcome might have been different.

The premise of the original post is no more than ubercons who live in glass houses attempting to throw stones at the DEMS.

Every time conservatives turned a blind eye to dishonest or unethical behaviour from a republican politician, they added another nail to the coffin for the GOP.

And what are ubercons doing now? adding more nails...the coffin is sealed, people, the GOP is dead.

If you want to resurrect it, you have to dig up the past, present the evidence against those in the GOP who have yet to be caught, and CLEAN HOUSE. Clean the Senate while you are at it....

Come up with a new contract for America, one that admits past follies and promises a new direction, hopefully one that has no Roves, no Cheneys, no Rumsfields, no Texans, no oil men, and no members with IQ's down in the Bush category. IOW, watch what the DEMS do when selecting candidates and try to do BETTER than they are.

It might have been purely accidental that the DEMS found an electable candidate, instead of putting a collection of fools on the stage and letting them fight it out until the biggest fool won the candidacy.

The GOP had way too many fools last time, and didn't select the least foolish....

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TheNextEra

Sorry, but while you may not have liked his plans, he indeed was elected for them because that is what the people wanted.

Your claiming that Obama won because of some sort of demonstrated Affirmative Action is seriously distorted.

Obama was elected, because unlike McCain and his spreading of fear, Obama had a message of hope. Hope wins out against fear each time. Add that along with the plans Obama laid out that the people liked, that is why he was elected.

I'm not saying he is following through with all those plans yet, but it isn't because he was black.

It wasn't a takeover, they requested to be BAILED OUT and then declared bankruptcy. You act like this was a planned move on Obama's part, it wasn't.

Depends o n the candidate the right picks. If they pick some religious rightwing nutjob such as Palin, then sorry that isn't what America is looking for.

Any sitting president that does something drastic, whether it be Obama with the bailout or Bush with the Iraq, is going to worry about their next candidate matchup.

Says you and other right wing Obama Haters, but then that doesn't make it true. Many on the left thought Bush was a poor performer as well.

Yes, his next term depends on how this all turns out. However, anyone blaming this because of Obama being black is IMO a demonstrated racist. Obama's decisions have NOTHING to do with race.

And no, I am not saying you are blaming Obama because he was black, I was just commenting on your assumption that people will blame Obama's possibly bad performance because he was black.

MrVicchio

To a point, I agree with you. Sometimes the Dems just have a better plan. Been a while, but it can happen.

Not sure what this implies... that race was a factor.. AA anyone?

Right, no.

ubercons now? That's funny really.

Agree with the caveat of "Everytime the GOP quits acting like small government, low taxes conservatives..."

ubercons... lemme look this up...


Gamers???

Act like Reaganites...

This is hyperpartisan rambling now.
The GOP didn't select McCain, the "moderates" did, then they abandoned him.

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MrVicchio

He was elected because of many things, but his plans were what? He never really laid them out. His plan was "Hope and Change" that's it.


The actual intent was to show the false hope of AA...
Could you spell out some of those plans for us? From sources of the time showing them?

Of course it has nothing to do with his being black, pleas show where I said it was.


A Bailout is one thing, a take over is another. Obama TOOK OVER GM, he didn't "bail them out".

Oh who should they pick? A nice socially liberal moderate? Please.

You mean like try to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism...


I'm not a hater, I just think he's a horrible president.


I'm not attacking him because he's black, you can attempt to try and label me a racist, but that just proves the point I made in the OP... I.E. AHH.... good point. Taken for what it is. My point wasn't intended to imply people will think "oh he's black that's why..."

My point is the next black candidate will have to compete with the legacy Obama will have laid down. If Obama is a failure that will make it a bigger hurdle. If in 8 years Obama's plans and everything are all golden it will make it easier for the next black candidate... do you not agree?

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