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House Dems refuse to allow accountability, block investigations... for the 8th time.

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WASHINGTON -- House Democrats on Tuesday stopped a Republican plan to force a campaign finance inquiry that likely would have investigated several influential Democrats. It was the eighth time since late February that the Republican move was halted.

One of the biggest recipients has been the chairman of the defense appropriations subcommittee, Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania.

The vote was 215-182 to stop consideration of a GOP resolution to initiate a House ethics committee inquiry. It called for an investigation into campaign contributions to House lawmakers by recipients of pet project money and their lobbyists.

Democratic leaders spoke to some of their newer members privately last month, to stop them from voting for the Republican initiative. Tuesday's vote showed they made little headway.
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Someone explain why this isn't going forward? Aside the political gamesmanship.....
House Democrats Block Republican Effort to Force Ethics Inquiries of Several Lawmakers - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com
 
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Simple, they know they have something to hide and some in the House actual want to see some transparency or they need something to do. Its hard to tell who in Washington isnt lying anymore.
 
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Since when were the Anti-Republicans ever serious about ethics in government? The only ethics probes they support are the ones that tarnish their opposition.
 
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This is nothing more than a partisan which hunt by a failed team of nothing to dos to be honest. Why would we need legislation to "investigate" and the procedure is already in place.

The ethics committee doesn't need a House resolution to start an investigation. The committee usually operates in secret in the early stages, so it could be looking at the donations. However, some of the members who could face an investigation have said they have not been contacted.
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Now tell me again whats the point of this legislation? Of course without the partisan crap attached to it.
 
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FreeTh!nk3r said:
Now tell me again whats the point of this legislation? Of course without the partisan crap attached to it.
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To force the Anti-Republicans to do what they will not do on their own: properly investigate ethics issues within their own ranks.

With Rangel and Murtha continuing to hold powerful committee chairmanships, despite numerous and fairly disgusting examples of corruption and greed--and if you disagree then Google either of their names and read the litany of their respective disgraces--to argue that this legislation is not necessary is laughable in the extreme.
 
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Does anyone believe that Murtha did not see to it that a family member received a contract worth millions? Does anyone believe that doing that is business as usual? Why are libruls so afraid of investigations?
 
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celticlord said:
To force the Anti-Republicans to do what they will not do on their own: properly investigate ethics issues within their own ranks.
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OoO so its another hyper partisan bill right? I mean Republicans do investigate their own as well right?

celticlord said:
With Rangel and Murtha continuing to hold powerful committee chairmanships, despite numerous and fairly disgusting examples of corruption and greed--and if you disagree then Google either of their names and read the litany of their respective disgraces--to argue that this legislation is not necessary is laughable in the extreme.
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Why is it necessary now? Why wait until after Democrats take power? Why wasnt something done under the GOP years?

Catman said:
Does anyone believe that Murtha did not see to it that a family member received a contract worth millions? Does anyone believe that doing that is business as usual? Why are libruls so afraid of investigations?
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It's suspect and it needs to be investigated sure. But do so through proper channels dont INCREASE government size in order to solve partisan beliefs.
 
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FreeTh!nk3r said:
OoO so its another hyper partisan bill right? I mean Republicans do investigate their own as well right?
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They have. Google "Jack Abramoff".

What have the Anti-Republicans done about Murtha and Rangel? Besides nothing at all, that is.

FreeTh!nk3r said:
Why is it necessary now? Why wait until after Democrats take power? Why wasnt something done under the GOP years?
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Facts must come to light in their own time. The proper question is why are the Anti-Republicans opposed to doing something now?

FreeTh!nk3r said:
It's suspect and it needs to be investigated sure. But do so through proper channels dont INCREASE government size in order to solve partisan beliefs.
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As the Anti-Republicans are clogging those channels, what other recourse is there?
 
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FreeTh!nk3r said:
OoO so its another hyper partisan bill right? I mean Republicans do investigate their own as well right?



Why is it necessary now? Why wait until after Democrats take power? Why wasnt something done under the GOP years?



It's suspect and it needs to be investigated sure. But do so through proper channels dont INCREASE government size in order to solve partisan beliefs.
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Why do you consider it partisan beliefs? I do believe the allegations have been in most country's newspapers and news shows.
 
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They cant do it because the courts are still too busy with all the corrupt Bush official's and Republicans....:2razz:
 
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celticlord said:
They have. Google "Jack Abramoff".

What have the Anti-Republicans done about Murtha and Rangel? Besides nothing at all, that is.
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You really think Republicans wanted to take Abramoff down? That's hilarious considering how many of them were in bed with him.

celticlord said:
Facts must come to light in their own time. The proper question is why are the Anti-Republicans opposed to doing something now?
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If there is such overwhelming evidence on these folks then certainly there is enough to file for charges or ethics complaints and go through proper channels right?

celticlord said:
As the Anti-Republicans are clogging those channels, what other recourse is there?
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I assume you can prove this one to us, or is this another assumption?

Catman said:
Why do you consider it partisan beliefs? I do believe the allegations have been in most country's newspapers and news shows.
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Simple, why have they waited until now to take upon such legislation? Why was it not passed during the 2001-06 years? It's simple Democrats werent in power and were not a threat so they saw no need to call for all the investigation, but now that they are the minority things change. Partisan thats all that can be said.
 
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PeteEU said:
They cant do it because the courts are still too busy with all the corrupt Bush official's and Republicans....:2razz:
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Really? What cases concerning corrupt Bush officials are currently in the court system?


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I agree with Free Th!k3r that this is nothing more than a ploy to smear Liberals. If the Reps honestly believed there was so much corruption on the part of Dems, why didn't they say something about it long ago? Why wait until the Dems are in power to try and be like GE and "bring such good things to light"? The answer is obvious: the more the Dems can be discredited, the better the Reps appear as being the better choice of government leadership.

I'm in no way saying let corruption go unpunished. If gov't politicians are using campaign funds unethically, then they need to be punished. But as Free said this could easily be done through the Ethics Committee that's already been established. Why vote on a resolution to hold and investigation into ethics violations? Answer: So that the Reps can get it on record that such violations are atleast in question on the part of the Dems.

A ploy to smear the Dems and make the Reps themselves look good, nothing more.
 
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TOJ said:
Really? What cases concerning corrupt Bush officials are currently in the court system?
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I think PeteEU was just kidding. Relax, tough guy.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I agree with Free Th!k3r that this is nothing more than a ploy to smear Liberals.
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I stopped reading right there, how do you smear someone who is actively doing something that warrants an investigation?
 
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I will ask once again, why do libruls want to cover up any investigations? Does the fear factor come into play?
 
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Sigh...sometimes my party of choice really pisses me off. If there are allegations of misdeeds or malfeasance, it needs to be investigated. End of story. Corruption has no political party, and should be weeded out at every opportunity.
 
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celticlord said:
Since when were the Anti-Republicans ever serious about ethics in government? The only ethics probes they support are the ones that tarnish their opposition.
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Since Anti-Republican is your term for democrat today, and I am a democrat, a member of the party, and I consider ethics to be one of the most important things in politics(and in life), your statement falls apart, as usual.
 
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Redress said:
Since Anti-Republican is your term for democrat today, and I am a democrat, a member of the party, and I consider ethics to be one of the most important things in politics(and in life), your statement falls apart, as usual.
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You might want to inform your Anti-Republican representatives in Congress of your stance. They seem to disagree with you.
 
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celticlord said:
You might want to inform your Anti-Republican representatives in Congress of your stance. They seem to disagree with you.
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I do not have any anti-republican representatives in congress. My congressman will hear about this if he voted against investigating though.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Someone explain why this isn't going forward? Aside the political gamesmanship.....
House Democrats Block Republican Effort to Force Ethics Inquiries of Several Lawmakers - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com
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Partisan hackery and nothing more. It's all we get. Neither side, not the Republicans and not the Democrats, want to install accountability into the system. As soon as one side pursues accountability, it's game over; everyone will be subjected to it. And both parties are so corrupt and have engaged in unethical behavior that they know if this can of worms gets opened they're all going down. That's the end all, be all of this. So you have people on the Republican side who didn't bat an eye at the **** Bush was doing now bitching about this. You have people on the Democrats side who bitched non-stop about Bush that won't bat an eye to this. Hyperpartisan crap spewed by idiots and destroyers of the Republic. If you bitch at this and didn't bitch at Bush or the Republicans, you're part of the problem. If you don't bitch at this and did bitch at Bush or the Republicans, you're part of the problem. That's measured reality. Partisans and statists are part of the problem, they seek not solution but talking points and nothing more. And in so doing, seed the destruction of the Republic. Good job.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I think PeteEU was just kidding. Relax, tough guy.
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Tough guy, now that is funny.

As far as relaxing, Sweetie, I am about as relaxed as a person can get. If it weren't for the monitor beeping every time the BP cuff recycles, I could go to sleep standing right here. ;)


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PeteEU said:
They cant do it because the courts are still too busy with all the corrupt Bush official's and Republicans....:2razz:
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Really, which courts are those?
 
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