obvious Child

Free my ***. 35% royalties is not 'free.'

Still, quite an interesting idea.

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aquapub

Getting back on topic...The last post of any relevance:

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Arch Enemy

As relevant as the sources you provided....


and i don't see any.

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aquapub

Actually, it is entirely relevant to respond to someone denying that Democrats caused 9/11 by listing off the ways Democrats caused 9/11.

And if you want to challenge something and demand links, do it.

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Arch Enemy

Don't play this game with me. I will prove to be much more nit-picky and prove your statements wrong.

Victim #1. "Fact: Democrats tied the hands of the FBI, CIA, and police, making it nearly impossible for them to communicate about terrorist threats."

There has been no formal indictment of a Democrat of tying the hands of the Central Intelligence Agency; as in, no charges of kidnapping or arresting without legitimacy.

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aquapub

I will be available if anyone here wants to actually debate this.

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Infinite Chaos

Cheney(IIRC) warning to bomb Pakistan back to the stone-age is recorded so I won't argue that.

By continuing to house the Taleban? Being the source of all the insurrectionist forces that come across the mountains every spring?

Where do you think the "spring offensive" comes from? Or is that a "liberal" thing to ask?



Find some facts and evidence first and then we can continue.

OK, what's your source? I chose the 9/11 commission unless they are all "liberals" - CAPPS is a computer system that successfully identified suspects. It was operational procedure that meant the system only delayed the suspects till their luggage had boarded. If you want to be partisan about the deaths of all those innocents in New York - CAPPS may have been implemented under the Democrats (I haven't checked) but there was a Republican President and Republican Congress in charge of US policies and procedures.

All I can agree is the US (democrat or republican) did not take up the offer - I do not know the operational reasons or what Sudan and other countries wanted in return from the US that made the US turn down the offers.

If you're talking about the embassy attacks - yes, how that equates to being responsible for 9/11 I don't know.

Are you talking about the Mogadishu mission at the same time as the UN mission and Farrah Aideed?

Source?

No, I'm not going to spend my life correcting your partisan posts, you haven't substantiated any of your assertions. I read through the 9/11 commission report and nothing there backs your version to show that the Democrats caused or were responsible for 9/11 - which was your original claim.

I am still revolted that anyone could try to score points using the blood of innocents killed on 9/11 for cheap party politics.

aquapub

By giving us critical assistance in the War on Terror, even when they couldn't control the rural border region you are misrepresenting as proof that they weren't helping us.

Pot, meet kettle.

So your big devastating counterpoint is that...

-I am partisan for responding to outrageously false partisan accusations by liberals that Bush was sleeping on the job on 9/11 by pointing out that it was their policies that kept the terrorists from being stopped.

Hilariously backwards ad hominem. Next.

-Bush, in his 9 months in office, during which he managed to increase counter-terrorism funding by 27% and complete a comprehensive review of more effective anti-Taliban forces we could be working with (already more than Democrats did in eight years), wasn't able to reverse every idiotic Democrat betrayal of our country, therefore it was Bush's fault that Democrats made this treasonously derilict policy.

Got it.

BTW, yes, it was Al Gore who headed up the CAPPS program. As for sources, you could start with the obvious ones:

Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Never mind the fact that Democrats, and only Democrats, repeatedly turned down offer after offer to take Bin Laden into custody or eliminate him. The basis, in the Sudan case, was that, like virtually all liberals, Bill Clinton thought that we should fight foreign enemies trying to destroy us with ACLU rules and arrest warrants. It's called "the pre-9/11 mindset," and it's what our latest treasonously negligent Democrat leader is reverting back to...based on nothing more than constitutionally illiterate liberal hysteria.

Treating foreign terrorists at war with America as common criminals, hence doing nothing to prevent attacks and only responding by issuing warrants and indictments, in response to the 1st WTC attack, the embassy bombings, the Saudi Arabian barracks bombing, the USS Cole...THAT is allowing al Qaida to attack us with impunity for nearly eight years.

Of course.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/testimony/20...elick_memo.pdf

"Correcting" proven facts is not what you're being challenged to do. And partisanship is the natural consequence of paying attention. Objecting to perpetual Democrat treason and surrender is a given for anyone who examines the evidence.



I've provided evidence for everything you've directly challenged.

The conclusion of The Commission to Make It Look Like Democrats Didn't Cause 9/11 was not adequately condemning of all the ways Democrats caused 9/11, sure. But that's what you get when you stack the deck with the weakest "Republicans" and cut-throat partisan attack dogs like Ben Veniste and...one of the Democrats who actually caused 9/11 herself, Jamie Gorelick.



When Democrats stop getting Americans murdered by the thousands, I'll stop pointing it out.

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Infinite Chaos

What critical assistance?

If an ally of mine is also the main source of and refuge for the terrorists who are killing my soldiers – “help is not the word I would use. And please elaborate on how my picture of the porous border from which the Taleban and Pastun forces that come kill our US and UK troops is somehow my “misrepresentation?”

Not yet you don’t – you are the one making a claim, your job to substantiate.

Again, no.. my point is that CAPPS is/was a computer system. The human operational procedures that back up / front / substantiate that system are equally important and not simply down to the Democrats – they weren’t in office. To help you understand – a football boot is an object designed by one person. How that object is used is up to the person who runs/holds/owns/wears it.

No, go back and read what I wrote originally – and put it against your claim that the Democrats caused 9/11.
And I’m not putting this at Bush’s door. Basically the US had no previous experience of organized terrorism on US soil – as most European countries already have. Our anti-terror systems are far more developed than yours because we have more experience of it. One thing most of our governments found helped was looking beyond mere partisan pointscoring and most have worked together with the opposition to make sure policy had a carry-over from one administration to the next. You are years behind and will continue to be if people like you run your country.

Quite simply, no, you haven’t.

Your country has much to learn if anti-terrorism measures are down to politics and which party is in power.
Non sequitur. How does one demonstrate and inevitable conclusion in the other? With better homeland security you would have picked up the terrorists learning to fly but not land aircraft, you would have substantiated CAPPS by actually holding and investigating the identified suspects instead of delaying them. Many other examples exist – but they were down to inexperience – not politics and certainly not “colour” of party or state.

OK, I will read and get back to you.

Your “interpretation” of facts is partisan – i.e “Pakistan as an ally” is totally laughable and I’ve only ever heard that version of “helpful Pakistan” from right wing Americans.

I will read your evidence and get back to you.

Ah, as I suspected, the commission was stacked with Liberals? And who chose all the liberals that formed the 9/11 commission? Who picked and selected the commission members?
My recollection is that Al Q’aeda flew the airplanes into buildings on 9/11 – not the Democrats.
You’ll be able to substantiate that with links to show how the US Democrats have caused the deaths of thousands?
And how many claims are you putting against the Democrats for this? Which other mass deaths are you including to make your “thousands?”

And come to this – your thread has been moved to “Partisan” politics – tells me how much weight I should give your opinion or tells me the world is full of liberals and you are the lone voice of sanity….