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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You should listen to the linked item. You see, the questions are important in a specific and general sense and have nothing to do with your enrty.
    Maybe but the OP has made it clear that my thoughts on the link aren't welcome in the thread so I don't see the point in wasting my time.

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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    They're blaming Obama now and collecting likes for it? I don't recall seeing a vomit emoticon, so:

    Thst misses the very clear and present danger of the situation. It isn't so much just an Obama affair. This has sever systemic implications for every present and future Administration. It has existential consequences for every citizen and for the meaning and functionality of our democracy.

    And Obama's administration stands as the best object to for reseaching the problem. Or would you like to turn a blind eye on it and hope Trump or his successors do not misuse the obvious power that seems to be poorly balanced and not checked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    This thread is for my fellow conservatives. Tonight Mark Levin on his broadcast laid out what I have been contemplating over

    all the leaks coming out of our intelligence.

    My fellow Constitutionalist Conservatives below is a link you can listen to the broadcast of Mark Levin. He raises many things I have seen you raise on the forum of what has been going on. What did Obama know before he knew it, how many in Intelligence under the Obama administration were intercepting calls of all those around Trump and who ordered them to do so? It is a really scary issue with me and I think with many on this forum.

    Not really interested in the views of the left or those who claim to be centrists or anything else yet spend their time on this forum trashing Trump because for whatever.

    You can listen at the link below.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/c...ns-resignation
    Yes. That is a problem I find very important and the finding answers to the questions in the link is in deed existential for the form our society takes. Democracy as it has been understood cannot continue unless we embrace the challenges this topic puts to us.

    Hoever, Obama's behavior is only an example of the wider problem of the implications data collection and muning tecnologies have. After looking at the Snowden case and deciding tentatively that the cases his data seemed to portray were had not been a great danger to American citizens, I had been following the development from an interest in the Gerasimov Doctrine and its implications for our type of democracy. And here a can is opened whose quality of worms is of a totally fresh quality. This is because we need our government to know and we need to know at a level of detail unheard of that only a few years ago was technically impossible. The technological challenge, as daunting as it might be is dwarved by that of finding political systems and societal instruments to deal with this new quality of information availability.

    This has little to do with Obama except that he seems the best place to start our investigation and research into the dangers we face and how to structure ourselves to be able to use the new technological power without losing our democracy.

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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Maybe but the OP has made it clear that my thoughts on the link aren't welcome in the thread so I don't see the point in wasting my time.
    That would be the only gripe I really had with the OP. The problem is of more than bipartisan interest and needs be urgently addressed. True, Obama's administration is and must be the main object of investigation. Here we might get the best look at the way information technology can be misused and how we can handle the dangers without loosing the advantages of its use.
    But this concerns all successor administrations and the way we build a system of checks and balances to handle the developing situation.

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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    They're blaming Obama now and collecting likes for it? I don't recall seeing a vomit emoticon, so:

    They're just like trump, bragging about his victory when asked about an increase in anti-Semitism since the election.

    I'd be very afraid if I was a USA Intel official, after trump likened them to Nazis .
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    Looks like we'll have to depend on the foreign press to ask trump REAL NEWS QUESTIONS, now that Bannon/Miller have completed their censorship of trump's pressers .
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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You do realize a lot of these spooks have been through SEVERAL presidential administrations. They aren't Obama loyalists, they are just career intelligence analysts who hate Trump because he literally believes he knows better than those who have been safe guarding the country for decades.
    That may be but it doesn't justify a coup. If they hated Trump they were free to find different employment.

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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Weird that when you listen in on Russian intelligence you end up intercepting calls from the Trump campaign.

    ...and then expose the fact that you're tapping the phones of Russian diplomats.

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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    ...and then expose the fact that you're tapping the phones of Russian diplomats.
    Which they already know is happening, since they do it to us.

    There will come a day when McConnell has to protect his party before the next election(s) .
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    Re: What did Obama know and when did he know it

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Are you saying that to be a conservative you have to support Trump? Trump who supports abortion, gun control and universal health care....

    OK then

    I could have worded that better. You don't have to be a Trump cheerleader to comment. I take President Trump one day at a time. I wanted to focus on what Mark Levin had to say last night on his program because many conservatives on this forum have raised the same concerns.

    Prior to Levin's broadcast an article at the Free Beacon reported that former Obama officials, loyalists planted series of stories to discredit Flynn because they wanted to protect the secret deals hidden in the Iran deal and Flynn wanted them exposed to the public.
    Former Obama Officials, Loyalists Waged Secret Campaign to Oust Flynn

    I have read the Washington Free Beacon for years and find it to be credible source for information.

    Today on the heels of President Trump welcoming Netanyahu and speaking out once again how bad the Iran deal is in the presser, another article is posted that ties into what Levin was speaking about last night and the Beacon's previous reporting.
    Iran Warns Trump Against Disclosing Secret Iran Deal Documents
    Iran is warning Trump not to release all the side deals the Obama administration made with Iran.

    Rep. Peter Roskam (R., Ill.), a vocal opponent of the Iran deal who has long been fighting for the full disclosure of the Iran deal documents, told the Free Beacon that the Obama administration hid these documents in order to mislead Americans about the true nature of the agreement.
    "The administration is under no obligation to conceal information about secret side deals, nor should they feel obligated to protect the anonymity of individuals or institutions who misbehaved at the behest of the Obama administration," Roskam said.
    Included in these documents are details of multiple, secret payments to Iran that totaled close to $2 billion. The money is believed to have been part of an incentive package aimed at securing the release last year of several American hostages in Iran.
    None of this information is technically classified, yet it remains hidden from the American public and a large portion of Congress.
    "The deal has only survived this long because the Obama administration gave Iran secret exemptions to cheat," said one veteran congressional adviser familiar with the documents. "The Iranians know that if people found out about those exemptions, it would be obvious that the deal was always a bad, unsustainable deal, and they couldn't blame Trump. That's why they're making up reasons why parts of the deal should be kept secret."
    Iran Warns Trump Against Disclosing Secret Iran Deal Documents

    So what did Obama know and when did he know it?
    Last edited by vesper; 02-16-17 at 07:24 AM.

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