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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    One counter example does not defy a trend.

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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    One counter example does not defy a trend.
    You haven't demonstrated a trend.
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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    It's funny, we just hired a new member to the team. Management said to me on the side, this hire ticks three goals: Alternative lifestyle, female, and minority. A real win for the company.

    How awesome is that for discrimination?
    But the question you fail to answer is how come nobody else on the team fits those criteria? Why are people like this so difficult to find? Answer: because it's significantly more difficult for them to get the opportunity in the first place.

    Is this person not qualified for the job? Can you say with any level of certainty that there were others that were more qualified whom she was hired over? I the rest of your team is full of white dudes then how can you argue that it was difficult for white dudes to obtain these positions?

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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Well, I agree such laws/policies are much rarer these days, but institutional racism goes beyond official government policy and include individual/social group racism. Keep in mind, we are only about 50-60 years removed from the Jim Crow South. Institutional racism did not magically disappear with the Brown Decision.
    Alright, you can't say "I refuse to judge people of any color/ethnicity" and then in the next sentence say you do depending on the situation. It is okay to acknowledge one's racist tendencies. None of us are perfect and we are creatures molded by our environment. When we are more aware of what shapes who we are we are better able to make the changes to improve.
    No discrimination is justified. My mother's family was essentially pushed out of Roseland, Chicago because they were harassed and their property was constantly vandalized by a few African Americans who moved into the neighborhood. I do not pretend Whites do not experience racial discrimination, but I also do not pretend it is anywhere close to the level minorities, especially African Americans, have experienced.
    Fair enough.
    It is a difficult thing to come to grips with I admit. When bones are broken and you are bloodied by racist blacks it tends to influence you. But I have had good black friends that I trusted completely. You have to judge based on the situation. Sometimes it is very wise to give a group a wide berth. To think you can walk through bad areas of any big city and not be messed up bad based on your light skin tone is a foolishness.
    One can easily show that in those particular cultures racism is ingrained. It's sad. I find it very telling that the left in general and the news media really doesn't call much attention to this particular manifestation of racism in the culture. They somehow get a wink and a nod and it is overlooked.
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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You haven't demonstrated a trend.
    Ummmm..... you need evidence to conclude that African American men are on average poorer and tend to grow up in high crime areas with poor schools? What universe do you live in exactly?

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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    It is a difficult thing to come to grips with I admit. When bones are broken and you are bloodied by racist blacks it tends to influence you. But I have had good black friends that I trusted completely. You have to judge based on the situation. Sometimes it is very wise to give a group a wide berth. To think you can walk through bad areas of any big city and not be messed up bad based on your light skin tone is a foolishness.
    One can easily show that in those particular cultures racism is ingrained.
    So let's see here. Racist White people enslave and generally make living as an African American a nightmare all throughout the country. White guy complains he can't walk through the one neighborhood in town filled with Black people. Have you considered the possibility that African American's spend most of their life living with the same level of fear you do if you're walking through a black neighborhood at night?

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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Ummmm..... you need evidence to conclude that African American men are on average poorer and tend to grow up in high crime areas with poor schools? What universe do you live in exactly?
    Based on white privilege, yes.
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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    But the question you fail to answer is how come nobody else on the team fits those criteria? Why are people like this so difficult to find? Answer: because it's significantly more difficult for them to get the opportunity in the first place.

    Is this person not qualified for the job? Can you say with any level of certainty that there were others that were more qualified whom she was hired over? I the rest of your team is full of white dudes then how can you argue that it was difficult for white dudes to obtain these positions?
    I never said no other team members fall within these categories, they certainly do and many of them as a matter of fact. Is the team predominantly white dudes, yes, but barely. Our executive is ethnic female. Our white dudes make up perhaps 50% of the team.

    This particular category isn't that common actually, so your conclusion about them being hard to find has little to do with opportunity, it has to do with rarity.

    This person is qualified, certainly. I never argued that more qualified white dudes were passed over. I simply noted the glee of management about being able to tick those boxes in their hire.
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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    So let's see here. Racist White people enslave and generally make living as an African American a nightmare all throughout the country. White guy complains he can't walk through the one neighborhood in town filled with Black people. Have you considered the possibility that African American's spend most of their life living with the same level of fear you do if you're walking through a black neighborhood at night?
    Funny, I listen to Tommy Sotomeyor occasionally. I posted one of his vids in this thread where he talks about the white neighborhood he now lives in.
    A few of the points he made are interesting:
    1. His white neighbors look out for him and his stuff.
    2. He has been robbed several times, all by black bandits.
    3. He would open his door to a white kid and not think twice, but wouldn't open his door at all to a black kid knocking.

    I do feel you have grounds for your point to a degree, but I don't think many blacks fear walking through most white neighborhoods. But many do fear walking through their own neighborhoods in many places.
    Just as an example, when was the last time whites burned down a neighborhood because blacks mistreated them? I'm just saying, things are quite equal in that respect.
    And when they burn down their own towns and neighborhoods, how does this help them exactly in their cause? Where is the new Dr King I have to ask. Black leadership these days wants to cry and moan, not stand up like men and be respected like men. And the left seems to encourage the former rather than the latter.
    White Privilege is a symptom of poor leadership and poor action.
    Again, where is Dr King?
    Instead they hold up Mike Brown as some sort of martyr for the cause. He was a punk black, not a good upstanding man.
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    Re: White privilege

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Not sure what you intend to say here. If you mean that the movement to prevent color blindness and true equality, that would be mostly the progressives who are pushing these 'white privilege awareness' courses in high school and college. They establish political correctness rules to refer to people of color but none for so-called 'white people'. They see a racist under every bush and make a monumental mountain out of any phrase or comment that could even possibly be racist no matter how long ago it was.

    Racism has become the stock in trade for the progressive left.

    As John McWhorter eloquently wrote:
    . . .I assume, for example, that the idea is not to teach white people that White Privilege means that black people are the only group of people in human history who cannot deal with obstacles and challenges. If the idea is that black people cannot solve their problems short of white people developing an exquisite sensitivity to how privileged they are, then we in the black community are being designated as disabled poster children. . .
    The Privilege of Checking White Privilege - The Daily Beast

    In the same piece McWhorter commented that there is a 'white privilege' also perpetuated by those who demand that black people be seen as victims and different from white people:

    --White people are not accused of 'not being a credit to their race.'
    --White people can uner perform without it be ascribed to their race.
    --When white people succeed, nobody wonders if or points out that it was achieved through affirmative action.
    --Nobody expects you to speak for your race on television or in a class discussion
    Etc.

    True color blindness allows us to treat everybody as true equals with the good and the bad. Until skin color is treated as of no more importance than hair color or eye color, that can't happen.

    And it won't happen so long as 'white privilege' is pointed out every day in every way because it continues to emphasize that we are different and, in a way, white is better.

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    I like the quote. I do think it's worth pointing out that not everyone on "the left" buys into the "white privilege" ideology.

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