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    The fundamental problem with conservatives

    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    The fundamental problem with liberals - they all generalize. And all generalizations are bad.

    (I'm also guessing a vast majority of them are immune to sarcasm.)
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Are these by chance the same white Christian men that first immigrated to America and successfully created the most free and prosperous civilization of all time?

    Or did you just write a block of text about inequality to just then finish it with a broad generalization and kick an entire demographic in the teeth.

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    Or, just maybe, the white, Christian men aren't really anyone's "opponent" but they are getting a little pissed that some lunatic is running around the living room screaming about oppression while hogging the TV remote.

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    It is unwise to generalize (hey, that rhymed).
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The fundamental problem with liberals - they all generalize. And all generalizations are bad.

    (I'm also guessing a vast majority of them are immune to sarcasm.)
    By the bespectacled prophet! You've got something there!

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Koke View Post

    Are these by chance the same white Christian men that first immigrated to America and successfully created the most free and prosperous civilization of all time?

    Or did you just write a block of text about inequality to just then finish it with a broad generalization and kick an entire demographic in the teeth.
    Yeah, them

    Liberals think its time for minorities and guilt-ridden whites like themselves to take over because prosperity is not everything

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    Lol !! As a proud Conservative I can tell you we did very little to " knock down " the Democratic party a peg. They did most of the damage all by themselves. Since 2010. the Democrats have lost over a thousand seats, 12 Governorships, the House, the Senate and finally the Presidency.

    Since one of the best ways to grow the Conservative base is to subject as many people as possible to the consequences of the Liberal agenda, these losses cannot be blamed solely on Conservatives. Here's a suggestion for Libs, think before you elect another Jr Senator with a radical Leftist community organizer past and a messianic complex to be your next leader.

    And no, if we actually had any control over the Left getting back to its feet we wouldn't let them, but we dont. When the Democratic party is the minority they sure like to bring up the importance and necessity of bi-partisanship, the need for the GOP to reach across the isle. But when they're in the majority the GOP can get in the back of the bus and their input will only be considered if it aligns with the opinions of the Democrats

    Liberal posters on this very forum were bragging about the GOP's eventual demise, that the party was aging and would be gone in its entirely. The Left has no intention of working with the other side, no intention of letting their opponents get back on their feet, so Conservatives should do the same
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    And this is why the Liberals are losing elections.

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    Oh my! I am a Christian man, but I am not white. Do you have an over generalized category for this conservative? Or does two out of three still let me in the club.

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