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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    I'm curious about where this grossly bigoted idea came from...
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    Conservatives are definitely the poorest winners. I remember in 2004, when W. won reelection how angry they were if anyone dared to criticize any of Bush's policies, like the Iraq war. On this discussion board, in particular I've noticed that whenever I dare to criticize something Trump has said, I've been told several times what a "snowflake" I am or that my criticism was "fake news" and just didn't happen.

    I chalk it up to denial - some can't face that they backed the "wrong horse".
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The fundamental problem with liberals - they all generalize. And all generalizations are bad.

    (I'm also guessing a vast majority of them are immune to sarcasm.)
    LOL- you just generalized this this post. Thanks for the chuckle
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by natsb View Post
    Oh my! I am a Christian man, but I am not white. Do you have an over generalized category for this conservative? Or does two out of three still let me in the club.

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    Hold on.... If you're a Christian male, you HAVE to be white. The existence of non-white Christian males has been disproven time and again by liberals across the nation. You are as real as a 4 winged, rainbow colored unicorn flying through a sky made of cotton candy, over a river of Dewar's Scotch.

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Or, just maybe, the white, Christian men aren't really anyone's "opponent" but they are getting a little pissed that some lunatic is running around the living room screaming about oppression while hogging the TV remote.
    WHAT!!!! Liberals want to take away our remotes!!!??? Get out the torches, boys!!! It's time to kick some liberal butt!!!!

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I'm curious about where this grossly bigoted idea came from...
    What are you talking about?? Liberals aren't bigoted!! That's a right only thing...... (eyes rolling) cheers

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    LOL- you just generalized this this post. Thanks for the chuckle
    Obvious sarcasm was either not that obvious, or you are Captain Obvious. Obviously.
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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Hold on.... If you're a Christian male, you HAVE to be white. The existence of non-white Christian males has been disproven time and again by liberals across the nation. You are as real as a 4 winged, rainbow colored unicorn flying through a sky made of cotton candy, over a river of Dewar's Scotch.

    Well... That would explain the looks I get at a family get together.

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Actually, the real problem with conservatives is that they all consider themselves to be self-made men and women, and therefore everyone else is obviously an inferior being.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: The fundamental problem with conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It seems like I'm finding that so many of the disagreements that we have in the United States today break down along the same exact lines. Conservatives fail to grasp the incredibly enormous distinction between knocking someone off their high horse, and stomping them into the ground. The difference between taking someone down a peg, and kicking them when they are already on the ground. One is not only acceptably, but often times very necessary, the other is absolutely abhorrent. What at a cursory glance may seem like the same actions, tactics, or behaviors are judged radically differently depending on who is using them against who.

    That doesn't mean it's a double standard it means that when you are in a position of power over someone you cannot blame them for using whatever means are at their disposal to defend themselves, but when you are the one who is dominating another person in every conceivable way to use cheap shots in order to further your dominance is completely out of line.

    Conservatives simply cannot grasp this reality. In their minds letting their opponents stand up is equivalent to being knocked down themselves. Worse yet their opponent isn't even trying to fight them, it simply wants to stand up. They assume that if their opponent gets to equal footing with them then they will start doing the same things to them that they have been doing to their opponent for decades.

    White Christian Men in our society have grown so accustom to their position of dominance that anything less than dominance over others is seen as an injury to them. How does one overcome this mental block and get through to these people?
    Sounds like the "my wife made me beat her" argument mixed in with a bunch of self victimization while ingoring how the Democrats chased a big chunk of their base away. They ignored the blue collar democrats in the east while, at the same time, they crapped all over the Bernie millennials and now it is the Republican's fault that the Democrats are being obstructionists. The big bad Republicans didn't do this to you. You guys did this to yourselves and now you don't want the Republicans to defend themselves while being attacked over the silliest non issues.
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