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So what exactly is your problem with Keith Ellison?

MrWonka said:
I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
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He's slow-witted and inarticulate. I'm sure the Repubs hope he wins.
 
MrWonka said:
I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
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Lol !! Nothing !! Great guy, should DEFINATELY be the new face of the Democratic party.

Let him head up the DNC, let him run in 2020, hell put his face on every DNC mailer from now on !
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Reality check: Ellison's outspoken Muslim faith makes him unappealing to too many voters.
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SO it would appear.

Muslim's DNC bid dogged by anti-Semitism charges | Washington Examiner
Rep. Keith Ellison unveiled his "platform" for the Democratic Party on Thursday as the Minnesotan faces fresh questioning about his past ties to anti-Semitic figures.
"We must energize Democratic activists across the country and give them the tools to build the party from the bottom-up," Ellison said about his bid to become Democratic National Committee chairman.
But his past association with the Nation of Islam and its controversial leader Louis Farrakhan are overshadowing his plan.
"The last thing we need is a chairman who has to spend all of his time defending" himself at the beginning of his chairmanship, said veteran Democratic operative Jim Manley, who is a Minnesota native.
Jewish publications and pro-Israel publications for weeks have been questioning whether Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, is an anti-Semite.
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Socrates1 said:
Isn't he the guy that want a black Country ? AKA Keith Muhammed who defended violent elements of the far left who helped raise money for SLA and defended cop killer Assata Shakur ? That guy ? :roll:
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Though the shock of defeat is still fresh, there are early signs that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party may be gaining strength. In the battle over leadership of the Democratic National Committee, a leading candidate is Keith Ellison of Minnesota, co-chair of the Progressive Caucus in the House of Representatives and an African-American
Muslim.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-roots-of-the-democratic-debacle_us_584ec983e4b04c8e2bb0a779
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Alan Dershowitz: The essential truth about what Keith Ellison would bring to the DNC
By Alan Dershowitz, Published December 05, 2016
Alan Dershowitz: The essential truth about what Keith Ellison would bring to the DNC | Fox News
What should a political party that has just lost its white working-*‐class blue-*‐ collar base to a “make America great again” nationalist do to try to regain these voters? Why not appoint as the new head of the party a radical left-*‐wing ideologue who has a long history of supporting an anti-*‐American, anti-*‐white, anti-*‐Semitic Nation of Islam racist?

Such an appointment will surely bring back rust belt voters who have lost their jobs to globalization and free trade! Is this really the thinking of those Democratic leaders who are pushing for Keith Ellison to head the Democratic National Committee?

Keith Ellison is, by all accounts, a decent guy, who is well liked by his congressional colleagues. But it is hard to imagine a worse candidate to take over the DNC at this time.

Ellison represents the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party, just when the party – if it is to win again – must move to the center in order to bring back the voters it lost to Trump.

The Democrats didn’t lose because their candidates weren’t left enough. They won the votes of liberals. The radical voters they lost to Jill Stein were small in number and are not likely to be influenced by the appointment of Ellison.

The centrist voters they lost to Trump will only be further alienated by the appointment of a left-*wing ideologue, who seems to care more about global issues than jobs in Indiana, Wisconsin and Michigan. Ellison’s selection certainly wouldn’t help among Jewish voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania or pro-*‐Israel Christian voters around the country.
Ellison’s sordid past associations with Louis Farrakhan—the longtime leader of the Nation of Islam—will hurt him in Middle America, which has little appetite for Farrakhan’s anti-*‐American ravings.
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Sure. Go ahead. Make him DNC chair. He'll be a real winner in that role. :roll: :lamo
 
eohrnberger said:
SO it would appear.









Sure. Go ahead. Make him DNC chair. He'll be a real winner in that role. :roll: :lamo
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They are use to giving up their seats . :lol:
 
Islamophobia is the obvious reason people don't like Ellison.
 
Personal opinion, and I'm not sure the OP cares much, but Democrats could greatly benefit from reaching out to one of the newer Reps in the moderate wing of the party and co-chair with a stronger, more liberal democrat to provide outreach and recruiting to both wings of the party, as well as fundraising and strategy.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, his left wing extremism has nothing to do with it. :roll: :doh:
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Coming from a poster that seems to believe that everyone who opposes Dear Leader Trump is a "left wing extremist", I have no problem discounting that response.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
I did not communicate clearly. I voted for Bernie in the Florida Democratic Primary. Bernie supports Keith Ellison's bid to head the DNC. I do not support Keith Ellison to head the DNC. Keith Ellison already has a full time job representing his Congressional District.
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I understand the concern about him splitting his time, but I thought that he stated that he would resign his seat and commit his time fully to the DNC chair.

Also, does his fairly deep connection to NOI concern you??
 
Trippy Trekker said:
I did not communicate clearly. I voted for Bernie in the Florida Democratic Primary. Bernie supports Keith Ellison's bid to head the DNC. I do not support Keith Ellison to head the DNC. Keith Ellison already has a full time job representing his Congressional District.
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Also, there's this stuff:
Louis Farrakhan and history with the Nation of Islam[edit]
As a law student in 1989 and 1990, Ellison wrote several columns under the name "Keith E. Hakim" in the student newspaper, the Minnesota Daily. He defended Farrakhan against claims of racism,[114] and further wrote that Farrakhan "is also not an anti-Semite" and called affirmative action a "sneaky" form of compensation for slavery, suggesting that white Americans instead pay reparations to blacks.
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Campaign contributions from members of CAIR[edit]
During the 2006 election Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American–Islamic Relations (CAIR) and James Yee, the former Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo Bay, spoke at an August 25 fundraiser for Ellison.[116][123] Awad and Ellison knew each other as they attended the University of Minnesota Law School at the same time.[8][124] According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Ellison accepted individual contributions from Nihad Awad and another leader of CAIR[not specific enough to verify]; Ellison responded that he had fully disclosed all contributions and said that he had "nothing to hide".[125] Ellison stressed that he was supported by individuals, and that the non-profit organization itself did not endorse his candidacy.[126]

His Republican opponent in the race, Alan Fine, criticized Ellison for accepting these contributions, saying that CAIR was "a group that Democrats say has deep ties to terrorism".[127] In response to Ellison's opponents, CAIR leaders Parvez Ahmed and Nihad Awad wrote, "We are proud of our personal donations to Ellison's campaign" and derided any 'guilt by association' arguments.[128]
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Campaign finance violations[edit]
In early 2006, the Minnesota State Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board reprimanded Ellison for unreported campaign contributions, discrepancies in cash balances, and misclassified disbursements during his campaigns for the Minnesota House of Representatives. These transgressions occurred in the years 2002–04. In 2005, the board opened an investigation, and Ellison was subpoenaed and fined.[129][130]

Ellison was repeatedly fined for late filings,[131] was sued twice by the Attorney General of Minnesota, and was warned about absent or incomplete disclosures.
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The guy has legitimate skeletons in his closet that need to be part of the discussion. Unfortunately, it seems like the DNC's thought process stopped at "He's a black, Muslim and Sanders supported."
 
faithful_servant said:
Also, there's this stuff:






The guy has legitimate skeletons in his closet that need to be part of the discussion. Unfortunately, it seems like the DNC's thought process stopped at "He's a black, Muslim and Sanders supported."
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The skeletons in Trump's closet could be amassed to form an army of the undead, and yet he's attained the presidency.

There's no reason that Ellison's previous association with the Black Muslim movement, which he has completely disavowed, would prohibit him from being a very effective DNC chair.
 
RickJames3000 said:
The skeletons in Trump's closet could be amassed to form an army of the undead, and yet he's attained the presidency.

There's no reason that Ellison's previous association with the Black Muslim movement, which he has completely disavowed, would prohibit him from being a very effective DNC chair.
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His real problem is that he's slow-witted and inarticulate in debate.
 
Jack Hays said:
His real problem is that he's slow-witted and inarticulate in debate.
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Good thing he won't be called upon to engage his political opponents in debate then, huh?
Being a good debater is certainly not a qualification for the job.
If what you say is true, then it appears he has made an excellent choice in seeking the DNC Chairman position.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Good thing he won't be called upon to engage his political opponents in debate then, huh?
Being a good debater is certainly not a qualification for the job.
If what you say is true, then it appears he has made an excellent choice in seeking the DNC Chairman position.
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He will make a persistently poor impression on the Sunday morning talk shows.
 
RickJames3000 said:
The skeletons in Trump's closet could be amassed to form an army of the undead, and yet he's attained the presidency.

There's no reason that Ellison's previous association with the Black Muslim movement, which he has completely disavowed, would prohibit him from being a very effective DNC chair.
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This discussion is about Ellison, leave your TDS at the door please.

It's not just the NOI connection, but also the repeated campaign financing violations, the connections to CAIR and the fact that he had so many traffic violations that he lost his license for a substantial period of time (not a huge issue in and of itself, but one that shows a high level of disregard for the law). There are a LOT of better choices available to the DNC, so why Ellison?? That's probably the discussion that needs to be had. Instead of "Why not Ellison?", how about we ask the question "Why Ellison and not someone else?"
 
faithful_servant said:
This discussion is about Ellison, leave your TDS at the door please.

It's not just the NOI connection, but also the repeated campaign financing violations, the connections to CAIR and the fact that he had so many traffic violations that he lost his license for a substantial period of time (not a huge issue in and of itself, but one that shows a high level of disregard for the law). There are a LOT of better choices available to the DNC, so why Ellison?? That's probably the discussion that needs to be had. Instead of "Why not Ellison?", how about we ask the question "Why Ellison and not someone else?"
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traffic violations?! campaign financing violations?:2razz:
 
RickJames3000 said:
The skeletons in Trump's closet could be amassed to form an army of the undead, and yet he's attained the presidency.

There's no reason that Ellison's previous association with the Black Muslim movement, which he has completely disavowed, would prohibit him from being a very effective DNC chair.
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Maybe is was because Hillary still had the dead corpses in her closet . :shock:
 
RickJames3000 said:
Coming from a poster that seems to believe that everyone who opposes Dear Leader Trump is a "left wing extremist", I have no problem discounting that response.
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Trump is no "Dear Leader" to me. As I posed (elsewhere) on election eve, 'Congratulations President-Elect Trump. no don't **** it up'.

You can't accept that the far left has dragged the Democrat party away from it's previous center-left position? Fine.
Given that the Democrat party hast lost so much ground at the state level to almost be legitimately labeled a minority political party, that the Republicans could almost pass a constitutional amendment on their own, go ahead, keep dragging the party ever further left then, and continue losing what little political influence the party has.

I do wish the adults in the Democratic party would regain their footing and return to center-left. Given the wisdom of checks and balances, I'm not at all in support of the idea of having a political party, any political party, including the Republicans, with that much control over government.
 
eohrnberger said:
Trump is no "Dear Leader" to me. As I posed (elsewhere) on election eve, 'Congratulations President-Elect Trump. no don't **** it up'.

You can't accept that the far left has dragged the Democrat party away from it's previous center-left position? Fine.
Given that the Democrat party hast lost so much ground at the state level to almost be legitimately labeled a minority political party, that the Republicans could almost pass a constitutional amendment on their own, go ahead, keep dragging the party ever further left then, and continue losing what little political influence the party has.

I do wish the adults in the Democratic party would regain their footing and return to center-left. Given the wisdom of checks and balances, I'm not at all in support of the idea of having a political party, any political party, including the Republicans, with that much control over government.
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I reject your assertion that the Democratic Party operates on a "Far Left" model. Bernie Sanders is the closest thing to "Far Left" within the establishment... but he was neither a true Democrat nor the party's nominee.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I reject your assertion that the Democratic Party operates on a "Far Left" model. Bernie Sanders is the closest thing to "Far Left" within the establishment... but he was neither a true Democrat nor the party's nominee.
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You can reject and live in denial as you choose.

Just consider this:
The Democrat party has only 4 states out of 50 where they lead the state legislature. That's what? 8%?
The Republicans have all of the rest. That's 96%

Yeah, I think it fair to call the Democrat party a minor party at this point in time.

They should come back to the more populous left-center and gain more votes, regain some state legislatures, regain some representation in congress, before it's too late and the trend is irreversible.
 
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