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So what exactly is your problem with Keith Ellison?

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I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
 
MrWonka said:
I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
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That (bolded above) might be part of the problem - Sanders is not even a demorat. Demorats have no problem getting the left to support their candidates over those of the republicants - the problem is getting those independents on board. Trying to move the DNC further left or the RNC further right is not a great plan for national success.
 
MrWonka said:
I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
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Reality check: Ellison's outspoken Muslim faith makes him unappealing to too many voters.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Reality check: Ellison's outspoken Muslim faith makes him unappealing to too many voters.
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First, Ellison isn't running for President he's running for DNC chair. His job is simply to recruit candidates for office, help secure donations, and make sure the primaries run smoothly. We're not depending on him to win a national election himself.

Secondly, since when do Democrats let racists decide our leaders? If Barrack Hussein Obama can win the Presidency despite all the garbage said about him I don't see what the problem is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) might be part of the problem - Sanders is not even a demorat. Demorats have no problem getting the left to support their candidates over those of the republicants - the problem is getting those independents on board. Trying to move the DNC further left or the RNC further right is not a great plan for national success.
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Ummmm.... What happened to the Bernie would have won people? Clinton lost largely because too much of the Bernie crew bailed for people like Stein. The middle class whites that we lost that went for Trump by and large liked Bernie for his anti-trade stances. I certainly don't agree with Bernie on everything, but I think we need to energize people like that if we want to take back control.
 
MrWonka said:
I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
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Just another identity based pick for the Dems. They want to show their tolerance by putting a NOI-supporting Muslim in front of the DNC. Sad that they just can't figure out that the best person for job is the person who can do the job the best, not the person who makes a public statement about an issue. This is rapidly becoming the Dems. biggest liability - they are WAY too focused on identity and not ability. I also think that this appointment is an attempt to signal a departure from the DNC's support of Clinton. They are throwing out a guy who is pretty much the opposite of Clinton (within the narrow range that is the Dem. party) which is just another identity to push.
 
MrWonka said:
I guess I'm more concerned with why Democrats might not like him or want him as DNC chair. He seems like a fine candidate to me. He's well liked and respected throughout the party, and he has been endorsed by Bernie Sanders among others. I don't think I've ever even heard of some of the other people running although I'll grant you being from Minnesota myself Ellison's is a name I'm more familiar with.
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Isn't he the guy that want a black Country ? AKA Keith Muhammed who defended violent elements of the far left who helped raise money for SLA and defended cop killer Assata Shakur ? That guy ? :roll:
 
Socrates1 said:
Isn't he the guy that want a black Country ? AKA Keith Muhammed who defended violent elements of the far left who helped raise money for SLA and defended cop killer Assata Shakur ? That guy ? :roll:
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I wondered about that, don't know Keith Ellison, so I looked it up and found this:

"I have long since distanced myself from and rejected the Nation of Islam due to its propagation of bigoted and anti-Semitic ideas and statements, as well as other issues," Ellison wrote at the time.
But several outlets have resurfaced Ellison's past writings as he runs for DNC chair, raising new concerns about his own views and what they would mean for the Democratic Party if he were to be its leader. A CNN KFile review of Ellison's past writings and public statements during the late 1980s through the 1990s reveal his decade-long involvement in the Nation of Islam and his repeated defense of Farrakhan and other radical black leaders against accusations of anti-Semitism in columns and statements to the press. None of the records reviewed found examples of Ellison making any anti-Semitic comments himself.
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I'd say no, the Democrats would be better off with someone who doesn't have to constantly disavow his past. Maybe he's changed, maybe not, but either way the political opposition will have way too much ammunition to shoot him, and therefore the Democratic Party, down. They should pick someone else.
 
MrWonka said:
First, Ellison isn't running for President he's running for DNC chair. His job is simply to recruit candidates for office, help secure donations, and make sure the primaries run smoothly. We're not depending on him to win a national election himself.
Secondly, since when do Democrats let racists decide our leaders? If Barrack Hussein Obama can win the Presidency despite all the garbage said about him I don't see what the problem is.
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I voted for Bernie. I prefer practical and knowledge based decisions over ideological ones.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I'd say no, the Democrats would be better off with someone who doesn't have to constantly disavow his past.
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It doesn't matter who Democrats picked Republicans will find some random thing the person said 20 years ago and claim that it defines everything about that person. Again if the guy was running for some kind of national election himself you might worry about it more, but he's not. He really only has to be a good leader that can appeal to all Democrats.
 
Socrates1 said:
Isn't he the guy that want a black Country ? AKA Keith Muhammed who defended violent elements of the far left who helped raise money for SLA and defended cop killer Assata Shakur ? That guy ? :roll:
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No, I think you're thinking of the imaginary portrait Republicans painted of the guy which has little or not basis in reality.
 
MrWonka said:
No, I think you're thinking of the imaginary portrait Republicans painted of the guy which has little or not basis in reality.
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It doesn't matter who Democrats put into leadership.

The GOP smear mongering machine goes into action.

Notice the low profile that Majority Leader McConnell is keeping, trying to prevent himself from becoming targeted by DEMs for the 2018 elections as the GOP did to Reid in 2014 .
 
MrWonka said:
First, Ellison isn't running for President he's running for DNC chair. His job is simply to recruit candidates for office, help secure donations, and make sure the primaries run smoothly. We're not depending on him to win a national election himself.

Secondly, since when do Democrats let racists decide our leaders? If Barrack Hussein Obama can win the Presidency despite all the garbage said about him I don't see what the problem is.
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Did I miss something? Who brought racism into this? Do you think Ellison's race is an important factor for the opposition in the party?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) might be part of the problem - Sanders is not even a demorat. Demorats have no problem getting the left to support their candidates over those of the republicants - the problem is getting those independents on board. Trying to move the DNC further left or the RNC further right is not a great plan for national success.
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Bernie doesn't care about what is "left" and what is "right." His sole purpose is to protect basic human rights. He believes health care, education, and making a living wage is a basic human right. He does not believe big insurance, and big businesses should be making record profits at the expense of basic human rights.

Also: If Bernie was elected he would have hardly been the first president with socialistic ideas. No one is trying to destroy this capitalist culture here in the great U.S. of A.

https://qz.com/534368/if-elected-bernie-sanders-wouldnt-be-americas-first-socialist-president/
 
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MrWonka said:
First, Ellison isn't running for President he's running for DNC chair. His job is simply to recruit candidates for office, help secure donations, and make sure the primaries run smoothly. We're not depending on him to win a national election himself.

Secondly, since when do Democrats let racists decide our leaders? If Barrack Hussein Obama can win the Presidency despite all the garbage said about him I don't see what the problem is.
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If Ellison's job isn't to win national elections in congress and state elections in legislatures and governors, what is it?

The last two chairs have been disasters in mid-term elections, Kaine in 2010 and 2012 and DWS in 2014 and 2016, much to my chagrin.

Meanwhile, the last RNC chief Priebus is now trump's Chief of Staff.

And Romney's niece in MI who helped deliver MI is the new RNC chair.

The GOP remains miles ahead of the DEMs in planning for 2018 though trump and a GOP congress that has to finally stand for something is closing the gap .
 
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Socrates1 said:
Isn't he the guy that want a black Country ? AKA Keith Muhammed who defended violent elements of the far left who helped raise money for SLA and defended cop killer Assata Shakur ? That guy ? :roll:
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From what link did you get yer far alt-rightist smears on Ellison ?
 
Trippy Trekker said:
I voted for Bernie. I prefer practical and knowledge based decisions over ideological ones.
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Picking Sanders would be equivalent to admitting that they screwed up by backing Clinton. I think that they'll look for a Sanders supporting/supported individual, but never Sanders himself.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wondered about that, don't know Keith Ellison, so I looked it up and found this:



I'd say no, the Democrats would be better off with someone who doesn't have to constantly disavow his past. Maybe he's changed, maybe not, but either way the political opposition will have way too much ammunition to shoot him, and therefore the Democratic Party, down. They should pick someone else.
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Mid-terms are going to be fun . :lol:
 
MrWonka said:
No, I think you're thinking of the imaginary portrait Republicans painted of the guy which has little or not basis in reality.
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Deny, deny , deny but the truth shall set you free ! :lol:
 
MrWonka said:
What is not practical or knowledge based about Keith Ellison?
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IRL, IMO, we have a political spectrum that runs from very far left to very far right. Most who vote do not spend the vast hours deliberating thinking about political issues like we do here in DP. On a local level, I favor candidates with pragmatic positions, who listen well and go out of their way to grant face time to any and all interested constituents. On a state and federal level, I want candidates that support certain positions: like Roe v. Wade, overturning Citizens United, protecting the environment, personal liberties and property rights, that demonstrate prudence and compassion in setting domestic and foreign policies. I personally like Keith Ellison... but he leans way too far left to unite a winning coalition of voters. We need someone considered more centrist in their thinking... and either more conventional or more discreet in their religiosity.
 
NIMBY said:
From what link did you get yer far alt-rightist smears on Ellison ?
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There were news clips of him calling for a black Country , look him up , then deny, deny, deny . AKA Keith Muhammed , AKA Keith X Ellison ........... yep that guy .:lol:
 
faithful_servant said:
Picking Sanders would be equivalent to admitting that they screwed up by backing Clinton. I think that they'll look for a Sanders supporting/supported individual, but never Sanders himself.
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I did not communicate clearly. I voted for Bernie in the Florida Democratic Primary. Bernie supports Keith Ellison's bid to head the DNC. I do not support Keith Ellison to head the DNC. Keith Ellison already has a full time job representing his Congressional District.
 
Socrates1 said:
There were news clips of him calling for a black Country , look him up , then deny, deny, deny . AKA Keith Muhammed , AKA Keith X Ellison ........... yep that guy .:lol:
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Don't you have a link with quotes for that?

I'm well aware of what the GOP thinks they have to smear Ellison.

Which is ONE of the reasons I don't support him.

I know the Nixon/trump smear game better than most GOPs .
 
Trippy Trekker said:
I did not communicate clearly. I voted for Bernie in the Florida Democratic Primary. Bernie supports Keith Ellison's bid to head the DNC. I do not support Keith Ellison to head the DNC. Keith Ellison already has a full time job representing his Congressional District.
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The DNC pulling out of Florida's senate race cost Clinton the state.

Rubio wins by 700,000 and trump wins by 100,000.

Reverse senate coattails occurred in several other states also.

The DNC could use 2 or 3 or more chairs, that's how far behind the RNC they are .
 
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