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Trumplethinskin blasts polls

countryboy said:
Since most Americans didn't even participate in the election, let alone registered voters, no, that is not a fact. Not even close.
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It is a fact that for those Americans who did participate, over 2.8 million of them voted for Clinton over Trump.

And an additional 7.8 million voted for somebody else altogether.

Trump garnered 46% of the vote of those Americans who did participate.
 
countryboy said:
So, these approval polls are different than the polls leading up to the election? You know, the "Trump has absolutely no pathway to 270" polls?
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I believe that would be correct. The pre-election polls were a comparison between two candidates. The presidential approval poll is about one person, you don't have an option.

And while you are correct that the pre-election polls made it look like he was unlikely to win on a state by state bases, the results indicated that overall, on a national bases, they weren't too far off - Hillary got millions more votes than Trump did, just as they predicted.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't blame him for not believing them. Neither do I. The liberal press and a segment of the Left will say or do ANYTHING to bring down Donald Trump. I am disgusted with the whiney left, the media and our Democratic politicians for what I consider to be treasonous conduct. Believe the polls? Pfft.

Edit... Have the Dems introduced a proposed constitutional amendment abolishing the Electoral College yet? Strike while the iron's hot, don't you think.
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How true. Although I have never been an admirer of Obama I thought until a few weeks go that he was a decent sort of man. No longer. His laying a minefield in the path of his successor is malicious and infantile.
 
haymarket said:
The system is indeed at fault because it permits a person to take that high office when the American people have said otherwise. Until that fatal flaw is eliminated in the system - there is and will be the risk of future US Presidents being illegitimate just as Trump is now.
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That is a view many have, before they study political discussion making. One can argue that one prefers one or an other decision making mechanism. But to think a mechanism illegitimate on the basis of only one determining factor is embarrassing.
 
joG said:
That is a view many have, before they study political discussion making. One can argue that one prefers one or an other decision making mechanism. But to think a mechanism illegitimate on the basis of only one determining factor is embarrassing.
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It is the mechanism of the EC itself which renders its winner as illegitimate when it permits the choice of the American people to be thwarted.

That is what is embarrassing.
 
BrewerBob said:
His presidency is absolutely legitimate. But he is also horribly unpopular. Best he accepts that and works to change it.
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Agreed, but he is incapable of accepting his faults or changing. That's for the "losers" who don't like him to do...
 
haymarket said:
It is the mechanism of the EC itself which renders its winner as illegitimate when it permits the choice of the American people to be thwarted.

That is what is embarrassing.
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Yoir OPINION is noted as to the Electoral College.

It is still a legitimate win in this plane of existence.
 
countryboy said:
Since most Americans didn't even participate in the election, let alone registered voters, no, that is not a fact. Not even close.
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Huh? Well if most Americans didn't even participate in the election then most didn't vote and therefore most didn't vote for Trump. That is a fact.
 
haymarket said:
It is the mechanism of the EC itself which renders its winner as illegitimate when it permits the choice of the American people to be thwarted.

That is what is embarrassing.
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What in God's name are you talking about? "The will of the American people"?!?!? That is asinine. Over 70% of the electorate was either for Trump or not enough against him to vote. Sure it hurts to lose. But the liberals chose not to do, what it would have taken to win. Personally, I am not at all happy that Trump won. But to blubber about legitimacy here just shows up a poor intellect, immature emotions or a miscomprehension of what democracy is about.
 
Fledermaus said:
Yoir OPINION is noted as to the Electoral College.

It is still a legitimate win in this plane of existence.
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The EC win is a legal win. Sadly the mechanism itself renders somebody like Trump who loses the vote of the people as illegitimate.
 
joG said:
What in God's name are you talking about? "The will of the American people"?!?!? That is asinine.
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It is both sad and telling that you find the expression of the will of the American people to be asinine.
 
haymarket said:
It is both sad and telling that you find the expression of the will of the American people to be asinine.
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Try again. You still haven't come close.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, Trump won. That does not change the fact that most Americans did not vote for him. We may assume then that Trump's polling results would reflect that and they appear to. There's no revelation in that alone. It is, however, interesting that Trump doesn't understand that. Rather than suck it up and become presidential he wallows in victimhood and lies to himself. It is interesting that Trump fanatics are willing to parrot Trump even when he acts and sounds like a buffoon.
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I don't find this surprising or significant. Many people who voted for Trump were casting a vote against Clinton. I was among them. Naturally such people view his presidency with some trepidation, especially considering his behavior at times. I doubt Trump will measure the content of every word he utters even after he's inaugurated. I will judge his performance based on his results, even with the knowledge that he's not a polished politician and prone to gaffes.

Trump is not a deep thinker, he has the attention span of a 4 year old, and he has alienated Americans, world leaders and people across the globe. Trump is creating a larger support deficit by the day. Is he suddenly going to turn into a responsible adult by the end of the week? Anything is possible. As he begins he will need all the good will and support he can muster. He is acting as if he wants the exact opposite. He makes things worse for himself day by day.
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No, I don't think Trump is a deep thinker along the lines of a Kissinger. A successful president does not need to be Bertrand Russell. I do expect Trump to be well counseled, and I hope that he tempers his words. As I said above, I firmly believe the success of his policies will generate all the good will he requires. Failing that, I'd agree that he will be in serious trouble going forward.
 
Sweden said:
How true. Although I have never been an admirer of Obama I thought until a few weeks go that he was a decent sort of man. No longer. His laying a minefield in the path of his successor is malicious and infantile.
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so that i do not confuse your post with one that is making excuses for tRump's imminent failure, would you please share with us the elements of the minefield Obama has laid in the president-elect's path
 
haymarket said:
I see they insult - but where is the refutation?
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That was in my first post. Trump is legitimate. That's a simple statement of reality. It makes no difference to me whether you accept reality or not. In effect, you're arguing about Tuesday. You can argue about that if you like. It remains Tuesday in any case.
 
justabubba said:
so that i do not confuse your post with one that is making excuses for tRump's imminent failure, would you please share with us the elements of the minefield Obama has laid in the president-elect's path
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No. I fear the daunting task of teaching you anything is quite beyond me. Let's put it this way: saying it politely I would 'have teaching difficulties'.
 
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