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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    You don't accept any evidence from the other side. You only accept your own evidence.
    Perhaps you should cite the evidence.

    Note that an editorial with a bunch of rhetorical statements doesn't qualify.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Nope.

    Clinton produced a surplus. Bush 43 burned right through it, and his policies -- namely, cutting taxes while waging two major wars (who does that?!?), adding Medicare Part D -- combined with revenue shortfalls caused by a major recession, produced record deficits.

    As the economy recovered, and revenues got back to normal, and we could pull back on the stimulus and war spending, and with a tiny tax hike towards the end, yes deficits dropped to a more normal level.

    Now, Trump's policies are set to send deficits rocketing back up again. He isn't going to cut Social Security or Medicare, two of the most expensive federal programs. He wants to increase defense spending, another huge program. He isn't going to cut VA spending, in fact he'll have to increase it if he wants to reduce wait times. Right off the bat, Trump refuses to cut or plans to increase spending for 70% of the federal budget.

    Further, his plan is to slash income and corporate taxes, which will cause another drop in revenues. Based on his current plans, he could add $5 trillion or more to the current debt.

    So. Can we put you down, on record, as someone who objects to high levels of both deficit spending and debt?
    The debt went up every year under Clinton so what " surplus " would you be refering too ?
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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    Perhaps you should cite the evidence.

    Note that an editorial with a bunch of rhetorical statements doesn't qualify.
    You libs are all the same. I and others have cited evidence on many things in many threads and you libs dismiss it, often claiming that no evidence was cited in the first place. That is your M.O. of winning arguments. Only your cherry picked facts are accepted as evidence. We have many threads with thousands of pages of you guys doing the same thing over and over and over. I'm not playing the game of putting up evidence that has already been submitted many times over.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    You libs are all the same. I and others have cited evidence on many things in many threads and you libs dismiss it, often claiming that no evidence was cited in the first place. That is your M.O. of winning arguments. Only your cherry picked facts are accepted as evidence. We have many threads with thousands of pages of you guys doing the same thing over and over and over. I'm not playing the game of putting up evidence that has already been submitted many times over.
    The findings of President Bush 2's own working group aren't "cherry picked facts".

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    The findings of President Bush 2's own working group aren't "cherry picked facts".
    We've been over this like a kazillion times. As I said, you guys dismiss everyone else's facts but your own and then claim that you won the debate.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Here's a crazy idea eric, why not respond to the thread topic in an honest and intelligent fashion.
    Did you even read the article?
    Here is the first sentence:
    For decades, congressional Republicans have pushed to slash the budget and reduce the size of the federal government
    What a howler. Are you not aware that Republicans (And Democrats) have greatly increased the debt. That sentence alone makes anything that follows suspect as the writer seems to have lost a sense of reality.
    I have been opposed to deficit spending as long as I remember. Don't like the tax cuts and spending under Bush43 anymore than Obama's.
    Just would like some hint that you understand the lunacy of your post.

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