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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I miss the days before ACA when everyone had insurance, premiums never increased, and everyone could see the doctor of their choice.
    So do I, guess the left forgot the purpose of ACA and the promise that if you liked your doctor and your insurance you could keep it, plus the fact that Medicaid existed already

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

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    So do I, guess the left forgot the purpose of ACA and the promise that if you liked your doctor and your insurance you could keep it, plus the fact that Medicaid existed already
    er uh Con, I remember the purpose of the ACA. can you explain what you think I'm forgetting. and Medicaid already existing is only news to you.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

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    er uh Con, I remember the purpose of the ACA. can you explain what you think I'm forgetting. and Medicaid already existing is only news to you.
    Medicaid existing apparently was unknown to the millions who were eligible and have now signed up helping boost the numbers of insured that you want to take credit for. Guess I am not going to get an answer to how many are still uninsured after years of ACA? Wonder why?

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

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    Medicaid existing apparently was unknown to the millions who were eligible and have now signed up helping boost the numbers of insured that you want to take credit for. Guess I am not going to get an answer to how many are still uninsured after years of ACA? Wonder why?
    so thanks to Obamacare they not only learned they were eligible but had a website to guide them and 20 million gained health coverage. whats the point of whining "some could have gotten it without Obamacare"? please elaborate. As far as answering your questions, this is a debate forum not google. Nothing prevents you from a making an honest and intelligent point. But since you don't have one to make you try to make the point "wah wah answer my question?". Its a tiresome tactic dishonest conservatives like yourself often resort to.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

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    so thanks to Obamacare they not only learned they were eligible but had a website to guide them and 20 million gained health coverage. whats the point of whining "some could have gotten it without Obamacare"? please elaborate. As far as answering your questions, this is a debate forum not google. Nothing prevents you from a making an honest and intelligent point. But since you don't have one to make you try to make the point "wah wah answer my question?". Its a tiresome tactic dishonest conservatives like yourself often resort to.
    So 20 million gained coverage leaving how many uninsured? You believe getting people to sign up for Medicaid required ACA? You are so easily indoctrinated. I don't have to make a point, Google makes it for me, approximately 30 million remain uninsured and because of ACA people had skyrocketing premiums, lost their coverage, lost their doctors, Obama lost the House, and then lost the Congress and now the Congress and the WH. What is it about those results that make you proud of ACA?

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

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    Why can’t republicans come up with a better plan? How about a plan? Yea, they’ve had 6 years. We’ve had 3 full years of the exchanges. Certainly there is enough data from that alone to help come up with a plan. it doesn't even have to be a better plan. They can just lie that its better and their base wont hold them accountable. Their base just needs something to repeat over and over. I'm thinking something along the lines of “sure it covers fewer people and costs more but its better because there are no death panels”.

    Certainly even some conservatives have to start to wonder how "repeal and replace" got repealed and replaced with "repeal and delay"?
    Obamacare is dying a very slow death. Each year we read where another insurance company or two has pulled out of the exchanges. Aetna and United Health Group are pulling out and Humana has pulled way back and it is just a matter of time before Humana too abandons the ACA altogether. This among the other problems the ACA has.

    If I was a Republican, I wouldn't try to repeal or replace it. I would just leave it alone to die of its own accord. Today you have this:

    Currently, 29% of Americans say Obamacare has hurt them and their family, up from 26% in May, and the highest Gallup has measured to date. Meanwhile, the percentage who say the ACA has helped their family dropped from 22% to 18%. The bulk of Americans, 51%, continue to say the law has "had no effect." As more provisions of the law have taken effect over the years, the "no effect" percentage has dropped from the first reading of 70%, in early 2012.

    More Americans Negative Than Positive About ACA | Gallup

    I would say the republicans have more trouble in the White House than they can cope with than even trying to do something with Obamacare. If you oppose it, just let it alone as it is dying. If I were Speaker Ryan, I would announce that the Republicans will be working on a quality healthcare replacement for Obamacare that will probably take a couple of year to complete. That they want to do it right to meet what the vast majority of Americans want and need. That they won't rush it like the Democrats rushed to pass Obamacare and didn't get it right.

    I have a feeling Trump will hurt the GOP much more than anything they do or don't do with Obamacare. My prediction for 2018, the Democrats take back the house.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Obamacare is dying a very slow death. Each year we read where another insurance company or two has pulled out of the exchanges. Aetna and United Health Group are pulling out and Humana has pulled way back and it is just a matter of time before Humana too abandons the ACA altogether. This among the other problems the ACA has.

    If I was a Republican, I wouldn't try to repeal or replace it. I would just leave it alone to die of its own accord. Today you have this:
    Pero, Obamacare may be dying a slow death but it would be even slower if republicans had expanded Medicaid in every state and didn’t encourage people to not sign up. Medicaid expansion and more people signing up lowers the costs for everybody. And don’t forget that republicans blocked the risk corridor payments. Just like with Medicare D, it was designed to smooth out and limit cost increases as the markets stabilize. But no worries, the small percentage of conservatives who understand this wont hold them accountable.

    And you simply cant ignore that republicans said they would not only replace Obamacare, they would replace it with something better. At some point even you will have to realize they were lying and pandering to you. When you finally realize that, please come back and explain why that was okay.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Pero, Obamacare may be dying a slow death but it would be even slower if republicans had expanded Medicaid in every state and didn’t encourage people to not sign up. Medicaid expansion and more people signing up lowers the costs for everybody. And don’t forget that republicans blocked the risk corridor payments. Just like with Medicare D, it was designed to smooth out and limit cost increases as the markets stabilize. But no worries, the small percentage of conservatives who understand this wont hold them accountable.

    And you simply cant ignore that republicans said they would not only replace Obamacare, they would replace it with something better. At some point even you will have to realize they were lying and pandering to you. When you finally realize that, please come back and explain why that was okay.
    So Vern now you want to expand Medicaid to every state? You really are good at spending someone else's money. Medicaid after the initial expenditure the cost goes to the taxpayers of the individual states

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So 20 million gained coverage leaving how many uninsured? You believe getting people to sign up for Medicaid required ACA? You are so easily indoctrinated. I don't have to make a point, Google makes it for me, approximately 30 million remain uninsured and because of ACA people had skyrocketing premiums, lost their coverage, lost their doctors, Obama lost the House, and then lost the Congress and now the Congress and the WH. What is it about those results that make you proud of ACA?
    so you did know how many remain uninsured. I suspected you might but for some reason you thought it was an intelligent and honest tactic to pretend not to. thanks to Obamacare 20 million Americans gained coverage and every American enjoys increased quality of care and a lower deficit. Hey just for laughs, instead of continuing rant and flail, tell us what you think will be in the republican replacement plan. If your conservative masters let you that is.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Obamacare is dying a very slow death.
    oh and pero, in addition to republicans attacks on insurers and Obamacare customers, don't forget their indirect affect on insurers. Seems the uncertainty concerning the republicans "replacement" is also scaring off insurers. When fewer insurers participate in a market, prices go up.

    Obamacare Uncertainty is Scaring Off Health Insurance Companies - NBC News

    I would announce that the Republicans will be working on a quality healthcare replacement for Obamacare that will probably take a couple of year to complete. That they want to do it right to meet what the vast majority of Americans want and need. That they won't rush it like the Democrats rushed to pass Obamacare and didn't get it right.
    And what that statement has to ignore is republicans have had 6 years to come up with a plan and they promised one "right out of the gate". Its kinda the point of the thread. If you were look at the facts honestly you would have to conclude that republicans were never serious about replacing Obamacare. What stops republicans from ever (yea, I said ever) coming up with a better plan is any "better" plan will cost more money. You cant get rid of the "pre-existing condition" exclusion without mandates or single payer. Single payer is more expensive. Its why republicans came up the idea of mandates in the first place. Do you think this proves Ryan has been lying and pandering to you the last 7 years? Its what ryan said about their repeal bill from last year.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    "We have now shown that there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the Senate. So, next year, if we're sending this bill to a Republican president, it will get signed into law."

    Obama vetoes Obamacare repeal bill - CNNPolitics.com

    mmmmm, ryan seemed to think all he needed was a republicans president. Now that he has one, whats up? their only plan seems to be to pretend to want to repeal Obamacare.
    Last edited by Vern; 02-18-17 at 01:32 PM.
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