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If Obamacare is so bad....

Cvir said:
Are you suggesting that the plans I cited are wishful thinking? How is that? They are plans proposed by Republicans including the most recent plan put forth by Ryan. Regardless what you think of the plans, these are facts, not "wishful thinking". And your criticism of Republicans for not coming up with a fix is rich. Democrats come up with an 11,000 page incredibly controversial and complicated plan, which took at least 2 years to formulate, 4 years to implement, written in torturous language, and required lies to get it passed, and you chastise Republicans, who just came to power less than 2 months ago for not coming up with a quick fix. Really?
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Obama should have just offered Medicare expansion or subsidies for those poor with no insurance or those with pre-existing conditions and left everything else the hell alone. That is what made Obamacare a disaster, by changing everything for everyone.
 
Moderate Right said:
Obama should have just offered Medicare expansion or subsidies for those poor with no insurance or those with pre-existing conditions and left everything else the hell alone. That is what made Obamacare a disaster, by changing everything for everyone.
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I have always contended that. If we believed that approximately 15% of the population had no or poor health coverage, why not fix that? Why did we take the other 85% and turn it up side down. That never made sense to me.
 
Cvir said:
I have always contended that. If we believed that approximately 15% of the population had no or poor health coverage, why not fix that? Why did we take the other 85% and turn it up side down. That never made sense to me.
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I would also be in favor of some kind of national catastrophic health care insurance - basically a worthless policy that only serves to stop people from going medically bankrupt and serves no other purpose. Maybe you would not even call it health care insurance. The cost would be fairly low because it would be rarely used.
 
Captain America said:
My insurance premiums have skyrocket and my deductible shot up like a boner in a nudie bar.

I don't know if it's Obamacare, insurance companies or a fattened medical industry that charges 15 dollars for a Tylenol served in a 14.00 paper cup. But **** is ****ed up.

I think we need turn back the clock 30 years and have ourselves a do-over.
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It's probably the direct or indirect affect of Obamacare. The ACA should have had provisions to increase competition among insurance companies and discourage price gouging. It obviously did neither. There were no business minded people thinking it through, just bureaucrats, politicians and academics, a most unproductive combination.
 
Moderate Right said:
I would also be in favor of some kind of national catastrophic health care insurance - basically a worthless policy that only serves to stop people from going medically bankrupt and serves no other purpose. Maybe you would not even call it health care insurance. The cost would be fairly low because it would be rarely used.
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Great idea, but Obamacare requires a lot of mandatory coverages and I'm not sure a catastrophic plan is available under Obamacare, but I could be wrong.
 
Cvir said:
Are you suggesting that the plans I cited are wishful thinking? How is that? They are plans proposed by Republicans including the most recent plan put forth by Ryan. Regardless what you think of the plans, these are facts, not "wishful thinking". And your criticism of Republicans for not coming up with a fix is rich. Democrats come up with an 11,000 page incredibly controversial and complicated plan, which took at least 2 years to formulate, 4 years to implement, written in torturous language, and required lies to get it passed, and you chastise Republicans, who just came to power less than 2 months ago for not coming up with a quick fix. Really?
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So Republicans were born 2 months ago? They are just babies then and still eating pablum. No wonder they can't govern.
 
iguanaman said:
So Republicans were born 2 months ago? They are just babies then and still eating pablum. No wonder they can't govern.
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..and with comments like this, no wonder you lost the election.
 
Cvir said:
..and with comments like this, no wonder you lost the election.
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With retorts like that no wonder your party is unable to govern. They had 6 years to develop a plan that was better than the ACA and came up empty.
 
What would be the point of Republicans developing a health care plan that Obama would just veto? Like your comments, that makes no sense. You forget that even Obamacare took years before it was ready for a vote and besides, getting rid of the Obamacare 11,000 page debacle with all its regulations will be a huge undertaking. Democrats created this fiasco and it will take the Republicans to fix it, as soon as we fix the immigration mess Obama and the Democrats left us with.
 
Cvir said:
What would be the point of Republicans developing a health care plan that Obama would just veto?
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What was the point of endless votes on repeal that went nowhere? It was only a year ago that they sent a repeal bill to Obama's desk for a veto. Perhaps they should've been using that time more productively.

They've had seven years to do what they promised. Six of those with full control of the House and 2 with unified control of Congress. And still they don't know what they're doing.
 
Cvir said:
..and with comments like this, no wonder you lost the election.
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How are GOP town halls going, you know, the ones they're getting booed at and shouted down at over ACA?

These are far more genuine than the phony tea party ones 8 years ago.

Any GOP cowardly lawmakers cancelling out yet ? :lamo
 
Cvir said:
What would be the point of Republicans developing a health care plan that Obama would just veto? Like your comments, that makes no sense. You forget that even Obamacare took years before it was ready for a vote and besides, getting rid of the Obamacare 11,000 page debacle with all its regulations will be a huge undertaking. Democrats created this fiasco and it will take the Republicans to fix it, as soon as we fix the immigration mess Obama and the Democrats left us with.
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When do you expect the GOP house of NO to mark up a replacement to ACA, something they've been promising for over 6 years now ?
 
Cvir said:
The Democrats do have enough votes to stop it. It takes 60 votes to pass the senate, the republicans only have 52.
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It can be 50 votes with simple change.
 
Greenbeard said:
What was the point of endless votes on repeal that went nowhere? It was only a year ago that they sent a repeal bill to Obama's desk for a veto. Perhaps they should've been using that time more productively.

They've had seven years to do what they promised. Six of those with full control of the House and 2 with unified control of Congress. And still they don't know what they're doing.
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There's no winning with you Libs. If Republicans did nothing, you would say the Republicans did nothing. If they try to do something like repeal and replace Obamacare, you say why do they bother, waste of time, they know Obama will veto it. I'm not going to try to reason with that kind of nonsense. I'm done with this thread. Bye!
 
fmw said:
The right plan is no Obamacare at all and no involvement of government in the insurance business. Unfortunately, people aren't ready to understand that.
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No, they don't want to be screwed too bad. I worked for a big time drug outfit, all our management meetings were how to screw the public to the max. Good luck
 
Cvir said:
Great idea, but Obamacare requires a lot of mandatory coverages and I'm not sure a catastrophic plan is available under Obamacare, but I could be wrong.
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It's not.
 
BlackBook said:
I don't see what that has to do with my comment.
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I think it had more to do with the post you quoted and not to your comment. I'm sorry, I was too lazy to search out the post you quoted and make my comment to that post. I thought my link would be interesting for anyone in the thread to see, not just to the person I quoted.
 
YorkshirePete said:
No, they don't want to be screwed too bad. I worked for a big time drug outfit, all our management meetings were how to screw the public to the max. Good luck
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But Obamacare doesn't stop the public from getting screwed to the max. That's one of it's biggest problems.
 
iguanaman said:
So Republicans were born 2 months ago? They are just babies then and still eating pablum. No wonder they can't govern.
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Now wonder they can't govern? Are you serious? The Republicans own the White House, the Senate, the House, and most governorships and state legislatures. The reason for that is that Democrats couldn't govern and voters threw them out on their asses.
 
iguanaman said:
With retorts like that no wonder your party is unable to govern. They had 6 years to develop a plan that was better than the ACA and came up empty.
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And what has happened to Democrats in those six years? They have gone bye bye all over the country, with Republicans holding the largest power of any party since 1928. How soon we forget.
 
NIMBY said:
How are GOP town halls going, you know, the ones they're getting booed at and shouted down at over ACA?

These are far more genuine than the phony tea party ones 8 years ago.

Any GOP cowardly lawmakers cancelling out yet ? :lamo
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That's because people wrongly think that repealing Obamacare will result in no health insurance.
 
YorkshirePete said:
No, they don't want to be screwed too bad. I worked for a big time drug outfit, all our management meetings were how to screw the public to the max. Good luck
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Is "screw the public to the max" your term for maximize profit. Every company seeks to maximize profit. It is inherent in the capitalistic system - a system that provided that job at the drug outfit for you.
 
Moderate Right said:
And what has happened to Democrats in those six years? They have gone bye bye all over the country, with Republicans holding the largest power of any party since 1928. How soon we forget.
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It appears that the party of NO was attractive but now that they have to say yes to something it maybe their downfall. We shall see.
 
fmw said:
Is "screw the public to the max" your term for maximize profit. Every company seeks to maximize profit. It is inherent in the capitalistic system - a system that provided that job at the drug outfit for you.
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Maximizing profit is fine for many industries that have competition but when it comes to treating sick people who have no choice it should not be allowed. It is obscene to squeeze the sick for every dollar.
 
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