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Hitler - American Conservative or American Progressive

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I have seen tons of comments referring to Trump as Hitler. This had me look into the actual policies Hitler supported.

He was for:
Government controlled education
Wealth redistribution
Socialized Health care and education
He was anti-capitalist
Gun Control

He would likely agree with Trump on immigration but for the most part his policies are almost identical to Bernie Sanders.

The common theme when searching for information about Hitler is that he is considered conservative or far-right fascist. My question is, are right wing conservatives in Germany/Europe different than American conservatives because from an actual policy stand point he has much more in common with American Progressives than American conservatives.

If Bernie Sanders had Trump's Nationalist mentality, then he would literally be Hitler from an ideological stand point. Don't get me wrong I'm am not saying Bernie would intentionally kill millions of people, I honestly wish Bernie shared my political beliefs because I think he is one of the few genuine politicians out there and seems like a good person. I just thought it was a pretty strange parallel between his and Hitler's political views.
 
Nap said:
I have seen tons of comments referring to Trump as Hitler. This had me look into the actual policies Hitler supported.

He was for:
Government controlled education
Wealth redistribution
Socialized Health care and education
He was anti-capitalist
Gun Control

He would likely agree with Trump on immigration but for the most part his policies are almost identical to Bernie Sanders.

The common theme when searching for information about Hitler is that he is considered conservative or far-right fascist. My question is, are right wing conservatives in Germany/Europe different than American conservatives because from an actual policy stand point he has much more in common with American Progressives than American conservatives.

If Bernie Sanders had Trump's Nationalist mentality, then he would literally be Hitler from an ideological stand point. Don't get me wrong I'm am not saying Bernie would intentionally kill millions of people, I honestly wish Bernie shared my political beliefs because I think he is one of the few genuine politicians out there and seems like a good person. I just thought it was a pretty strange parallel between his and Hitler's political views.
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Unbelievable as it sounds, the National Socialists were a socialist party.
 
joG said:
Unbelievable as it sounds, the National Socialists were a socialist party.
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In rhetoric and branding, sure.

In practice, nope.
 
joG said:
Unbelievable as it sounds, the National Socialists were a socialist party.
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That is what confused me, we associate socialism with the left but Hitler is labeled Far-right. This was the reason for me posting this. When looking at things from a Left/Right spectrum is it different in Europe then it is here in America?
 
Kobie said:
In rhetoric and branding, sure.

In practice, nope.
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Socialized health care, education and wealth redistribution is not socialism in practice?
 
Been down this road a thousand times. The Nazis were NOT socialists.

They were no more 'socialists' than North Korea is Democratic. 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Been down this road a thousand times. The Nazis were NOT socialists.

They were no more 'socialists' than North Korea is Democratic. 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'
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https://youtu.be/-awkYhtey50

This is video of an Austrian woman who lived through it. What she explained sounds pretty much like socialism. At least the style of socialism that Bernie Sanders talks about.
 
Nap said:
Socialized health care, education and wealth redistribution is not socialism in practice?
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In what kind of "wealth redistribution" did the Nazis engage?

The Nazis also, yanno, immediately targeted socialists and communists as part of their extermination campaigns.

The Nazis gave health care, education and whatnot to "Aryans" while sending everyone else to second-class citizenship at best or the gas chamber at worst. That's hardly according-to-Hoyle "socialism."

The Nazis branding themselves as "socialist" was largely an appeal to working class Germans.
 
Hitler's practices were more in the line with demonic totalitarianism, than socialistic.
 
Nap said:
https://youtu.be/-awkYhtey50

This is video of an Austrian woman who lived through it. What she explained sounds pretty much like socialism.
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A women who lived through it huh? There are people right here on this site who will swear the US is now communist. Means nothing what 1 person thinks.

The Nazis were socialist in name only. Did they have some socialists programs? Of course they did. So do we. Communist China economy has plenty of Capitalistic parts right now. 1 of the 1st things Hitler did was shut down the labor unions. That doesn't sound very socialist to me. That sounds like something the current American conservatives would do in a heartbeat.

Hitler was a user, he took parts of all sorts of government, economies, dictatorships, fascism, etc. to keep HIM in charge and to build Germany's war machine.
 
Seeing as neither Conservatives or Progressives are calling for mass genocide I think I will chalk up my vote into the "neither" block.
 
Nap said:
I have seen tons of comments referring to Trump as Hitler. This had me look into the actual policies Hitler supported.

He was for:
Government controlled education
Wealth redistribution
Socialized Health care and education
He was anti-capitalist
Gun Control

He would likely agree with Trump on immigration but for the most part his policies are almost identical to Bernie Sanders.

The common theme when searching for information about Hitler is that he is considered conservative or far-right fascist. My question is, are right wing conservatives in Germany/Europe different than American conservatives because from an actual policy stand point he has much more in common with American Progressives than American conservatives.

If Bernie Sanders had Trump's Nationalist mentality, then he would literally be Hitler from an ideological stand point. Don't get me wrong I'm am not saying Bernie would intentionally kill millions of people, I honestly wish Bernie shared my political beliefs because I think he is one of the few genuine politicians out there and seems like a good person. I just thought it was a pretty strange parallel between his and Hitler's political views.
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European right wing/conservatism is still left wing by American standards regardless if it has the racism and eugenics in it or not. Progressives in the early 20th century were very racists and supported eugenics.Hitler killing jews and other people deemed inferior by the nazis cast eugenics in a bad light an eugenics beliefs was was discarded by American progressives.Although its funny that many of these progressives support Mao Zedong,Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro and other brutal mass murdering socialist and communist dictators and revolutionaries while trying to distance themselves from the fact Nazis are leftwingers and socialists. If Hitler killed people because of their ideology instead of ethnicity/religion then left wingers all over America would probably be wearing Hitler shirts just like they do with Che Guevara,Lenin and other history's scumbags.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Been down this road a thousand times. The Nazis were NOT socialists.

They were no more 'socialists' than North Korea is Democratic. 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'
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Apparently, we need to go over it 1001 times. Not everyone has learned yet. The Nazis were absolutely socialist in both name and in practice.

I often wonder why the left can accept Stalin, Mao, Che, Pot, Castro, etc as one of their own, but disown Hitler, who was cut from the same cloth.

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SenorXm/Sirius said:
A women who lived through it huh? There are people right here on this site who will swear the US is now communist. Means nothing what 1 person thinks.

The Nazis were socialist in name only. Did they have some socialists programs? Of course they did. So do we. Communist China economy has plenty of Capitalistic parts right now. 1 of the 1st things Hitler did was shut down the labor unions. That doesn't sound very socialist to me. That sounds like something the current American conservatives would do in a heartbeat.

Hitler was a user, he took parts of all sorts of government, economies, dictatorships, fascism, etc. to keep HIM in charge and to build Germany's war machine.
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While you have a point, and I will be honest I am still looking into it and don't have enough information on it. I just think her testimony to what she experienced is pretty informative to what it was like back then.

EDIT: I think a common sentiment is that we are a socialist country already, hadn't seen much claim we are communist.
 
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No side will take it too well when someone attempts to associate them with Hitler.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
A crock of ****. Also, his name was Hitler. Not Hiltler.
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Its not a crock at all except to liberals who have been mislead by the progressive/liberal education system that wants to avoid any connection to the nazis
 
Mac77 said:
Its not a crock at all except to liberals who have been mislead by the progressive/liberal education system that wants to avoid any connection to the nazis
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Kobie said:
Sure thing.
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"Its (the nazi's were progressives) not a crock at all except to liberals who have been mislead by the progressive/liberal education system that wants to avoid any connection to the nazis"
 
Mac77 said:
"Its (the nazi's were progressives) not a crock at all except to liberals who have been mislead by the progressive/liberal education system that wants to avoid any connection to the nazis"
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Quoting yourself is not exactly a winning debate strategy.

What connection is there between liberals and Nazis? Do enlighten us, Mac.
 
Kobie said:
In what kind of "wealth redistribution" did the Nazis engage?

The Nazis also, yanno, immediately targeted socialists and communists as part of their extermination campaigns.

The Nazis gave health care, education and whatnot to "Aryans" while sending everyone else to second-class citizenship at best or the gas chamber at worst. That's hardly according-to-Hoyle "socialism."

The Nazis branding themselves as "socialist" was largely an appeal to working class Germans.
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His governing philosophy over the "Aryans" was socialism. You are missing the other side of the branding. Nazi is Nationalist and Socialist. He was an ethnic based nationalist who governed through socialism. I am looking at the policies he governed what he viewed as his people and those were socialist policies.
 
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