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New Years Messages and the Personification of the GOP's Problem

CaptainCourtesy said:
I'm doing neither. He won, that's a fact. How he won is a different matter. He won based on emotion, not issues. I said it after the first debate. It was at that point that I realized that if Trump won, why he'd win. Not because of some incredible strategy, Because of how people vote, nowadays. Trump didn't capitalize on that. Trump's personality was already a give to capitalize on that. This was no grand scheme. It was the right person, at the right time, in the right context.
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Maybe because:
And all to wide attention and great acclaim (D'Agata is the director of the Nonfiction Writing Program at the University of Iowa, the most prestigious name in creative writing)-because effrontery, as everybody knows, will get you very far in American culture, and persistence in perverse opinion, further still .
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Maybe because he knows how this game is played, Trump does, and he does it very well, and it is about time you admitted it.

Winning goes far to proving Trump Right, and entitled to your respect.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Maybe because:

Maybe because he knows how this game is played, Trump does, and he does it very well, and it is about time you admitted it.

Winning goes far to proving Trump Right, and entitled to your respect.
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I'm not going to admit something that is not true. Like I said, Trump winning was a product of circumstance. It was no grand scheme. He used what he already had at a time when it would work.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I'm not going to admit something that is not true. Like I said, Trump winning was a product of circumstance. It was no grand scheme. He used what he already had at a time when it would work.
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Trump has developed this game over a lifetime, through constant trial and error and high stakes gambling.

THis game worked to get him the POTUS chair when 99.9%(approximation) of the geniuses said it would not.

This hard won game often works for him, thats why he has his own very nice 737 where as you and me dont.

I would like to hear you admitt it.

I would like you to caught up some due respect for your next President.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Trump has developed this game over a lifetime, through constant trial and error and high stakes gambling.

THis game worked to get him the POTUS chair when 99.9%(approximation) of the geniuses said it would not.

This hard won game often works for him, thats why he has his own very nice 737 where as you and me dont.

I would like to hear you admitt it.

I would like you to caught up some due respect for your next President.
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I will give respect to our next President when he earns it by doing a good job. I am hopeful that he will. As for now, I've already explained how he won. The respect that earns is being in the right place at the right time with the right set of tools.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I will give respect to our next President when he earns it by doing a good job. I am hopeful that he will. As for now, I've already explained how he won. The respect that earns is being in the right place at the right time with the right set of tools.
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THere is more to it than that, you are still short selling him. This guy took the R party and won the POTUS chair against the elite of both parties, it was one of the most monumental wins in American history and we find you trying to pass it off as just another day at the park.

You are wrong.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
THere is more to it than that, you are still short selling him. This guy took the R party and won the POTUS chair against the elite of both parties, it was one of the most monumental wins in American history and we find you trying to pass it off as just another day at the park.

You are wrong.
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No, I'm not passing it off as another day in the park. I've said on this forum just how monumental his win was, considering he is the first political outsider to win the Presidency. But unlike you, I recognize that his win was a response to a lot of things, and Trump himself and any plan he may have had was only a very small part of that.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I'm not passing it off as another day in the park. I've said on this forum just how monumental his win was, considering he is the first political outsider to win the Presidency. But unlike you, I recognize that his win was a response to a lot of things, and Trump himself and any plan he may have had was only a very small part of that.
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I never saw that but good on you, you were right on that point.....I mean I know what you are trying to say but Eisenhower while an outsider to politics was a 5 star general and all, no mere mortal was he.....
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I never saw that but good on you, you were right on that point.
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Regardless of whether someone voted for Trump, didn't vote for Trump or can't stand Trump, the reality is that what happened has really never happened before and we cannot minimize this. My hope is that Trump's victory opens up the potential for more political outsiders to win and for those who represent us really start to mirror who we are as a people rather than spending more time trying to stay in office by pandering to groups who would give them money. I'm not saying that Trump is the former, but I am hopeful that, at the least, he could open doors for those who are.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Regardless of whether someone voted for Trump, didn't vote for Trump or can't stand Trump, the reality is that what happened has really never happened before and we cannot minimize this. My hope is that Trump's victory opens up the potential for more political outsiders to win and for those who represent us really start to mirror who we are as a people rather than spending more time trying to stay in office by pandering to groups who would give them money. I'm not saying that Trump is the former, but I am hopeful that, at the least, he could open doors for those who are.
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It is very nice to see you give our next President a chance. Not everyone is willing to do that, as you know.

I hope you had a great day. My wife has been sick so all our plans went out the window, which is why my sorry ass has been around here so much, but she is getting better fast and has tomorrow off....Could have been worse.

REGARDS
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Trump's explanation that "we don't understand his game" is an excuse that he uses to absolve him when he says stupid things. It's classic deflection and not taking responsibility for one's actions. Trump hasn't proven anything to me, yet. I am waiting until he actually is President to pass any judgment.
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That's fine, I'll pass judgment in your stead: deliberately defrauding at least 6000 people of nearly a quarter billion dollars in his university scam was a completely defining aspect of his personality, and an act that disqualifies him from holding any kind of public office, however minor.
 
Absentglare said:
It's not just the GOP's problem, it might not even really be a problem for them. The GOP has been rewarded by these tactics. It's our problem.
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While true, there's a lot of us who were pulling for a GOP candidate and feel like this man is missing any true sense of national purpose.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Regardless of whether someone voted for Trump, didn't vote for Trump or can't stand Trump, the reality is that what happened has really never happened before and we cannot minimize this. My hope is that Trump's victory opens up the potential for more political outsiders to win and for those who represent us really start to mirror who we are as a people rather than spending more time trying to stay in office by pandering to groups who would give them money. I'm not saying that Trump is the former, but I am hopeful that, at the least, he could open doors for those who are.
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Amen brother!! Not sure what type of president Trump will turn out to be, but if his obvious character flaws don't overwhelm him, he might turn out to be pretty good. But his larger than life image, ego and bravado may have been the only way for an outsider to get there. Hopefully that will open the door for a nation ruled more by citizen legislators than career politicians.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
For the captian:

I put this in a different thread yesterday but I am going to put it here too against DP Rules (I think) because it is the right thing to do:


"In Defense of Facts"
William Deresiewicz
jan/feb Atlantic page 90



Come on now Captain, this is one of the most respected members of the elite this Iowa guy, I rarely even read fiction and I now about this guy...he is important and respected....and he does what Trump does. And he wins like Trump does. And then you want to sit there and throw turds at Trump and claim that he does not know what he is doing? Based upon what, other than the particular appetites that you have developed over this life? That is not good enough here. What arguments or evidence or anything really do you have to suggest that I should give your opinion any more consideration...your opinion on this matter of Trump?

Me, I think I am done wondering about it till I see some work. Maybe I give him till mid May as I did Obama before I decide...I gave Obama that then said he sucks, though I had pretty much made up my mind by end of March.

Can you do something like that with Trump, for the cause of fairness maybe, in respect for the office maybe, for the hope of humanity maybe, because I am asking you to maybe...

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EDIT: I notice the cross posting with CC, but I am going to let this post stand even though it is out of date, I kinda like it for one thing. I got bogged down, completely messed up a post and had to make a new one.
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Greetings Moran. You actually posted this Iowegian's tripe up above, IN THIS THREAD.

Slow down man. Relax, breathe, that's better.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Could be, but I am fairly certain you would find Trump making the argument that you dont understand how the game is played at his level enough to pass judgement. We hear almost all the quackers claiming that Trump is a Buffoon and all the jazz as he keeps winning when most everyone said all along that he could never win...I think Trump has earned both the time to try to do some good works before we all claim that he cant do the job, and the right to claim that he knows more than you as proven by his work and oh by the way your opinion is worthless.

THat is not me saying it just so we are clear, but based upon what you have seen of Trump can you allow that I am likely correct about his mind here?

And if so do you claim that Trump is wrong?

There are no right or wrong answers here, I am simply wondering where you are on the question.
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I understand how the game is played at his level. Come 1/20/17 I'll be his Boss.
 
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