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Lefties, Righties, Who's Who?

Gaius46 said:
I see your point - I was somewhat unclear. By socially liberal I meant that I respect individual liberty.

Personally I'm not a fan of abortion though we - my wife and I - were never in a position where we had to consider one, both our children were very much wanted. On the other hand I'm personally fine with homosexuality - I can't imagine why anyone would care about who someone decides to spend a night or their entire lives with.
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Yup. Liberty allows you to believe or think or express your opinion about anything so long as you allow others their point of view as well. Those who believe it is their right to PUNISH others for what they believe or think or express or deny them their right to do so are antithetical to liberty.
 
AlbqOwl said:
And I am one who fully supported and actually actively in person lobbied for necessary equal RIGHTS for gay couples, but I was not willing to consent to change a definition of marriage that has endured for thousands of years. I won't make my argument to defend that here as it would derail the thread, but I don't know how many people have accused me of hating gays, wanting to deny gays their rights, being homophobic, yadda yadda. It's just nuts.

To the classical liberal, my views or your views about anything are tolerated peacefully so long as I don't try to improperly forcibly impose them on others and accept being overruled by the majority.
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I called into the Alan Colmes show on FoxTalk (a Sirius station about 5 years ago) and presented the same argument. He called me a hater and hung up on me.
 
EvMetro said:
I think I can sympathize with you that there was no candidate that you wanted, but there is something about what you posted that looks like an oxymoron...
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I cherry pick. I don't 100%, or even 70% subscribe to any one party ideology. I am pro abortion, but pro gun. I am pro intelegent deregulation, but anti corporation. I am pro progressive taxation, but anti most social safety nets. At least, as they currently are. I'm all over the board.
 
ObamacareFail said:
They have also hijacked the term far right. if you have any views that to not meet up to "political correctness" standards, they will label you as far right or alt right.
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Oh yes. That is why I just boldly claim the far right dot and benchmark on the left/right line. It makes it hard for lefties to apply all those different labels on me. If alt right is to my left, they never call me alt right.

They have hijacked every political description term, so it is hard to tell what people really mean when they "identify" with some hybrid combination of trendy sounding terms. I think that this is the reason why I feel a lot more respect for lefties on this thread, since they go into a little more depth. Some of these lefties on this thread were people I wrote off as hopeless lefties in my initial few threads, but in this environment, I can see a little more about them.

The "lean" thing next to each member's avatar is an example of meaningless terms to me. I went in there to edit mine with something catchy that showed me claiming the far right throne, but all that was available was a list of these meaningless terms that lefties have already hijacked and claimed. I probably should have just left it alone or marked other, but I don't see a lot of people using "commie". It's meaningless anyway...
 
AlbqOwl said:
Yup. Liberty allows you to believe or think or express your opinion about anything so long as you allow others their point of view as well. Those who believe it is their right to PUNISH others for what they believe or think or express or deny them their right to do so are antithetical to liberty.
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What you call punish, others call freedom of speech as well. If you (the general you, not you personally) want to be racist or bigoted, that is your LEGAL right, but it is MY legal right to criticize you for it and choose to not support your business or employ you. Freedom works both ways and you are not free from consequences (good or bad) of your speech.
 
captain america said:
i am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative.

Or, as i like to say, "they took away my conservative card because i didn't believe that homosexuality caused earthquakes."

i live my life as a pro-choice, pro-gun, self-responsibility, anti-government cheese kinda guy.

But the people of late whom i feel have bastardized the label "conservative," (ie: Birther's, alt-righters, neo-cons, bigots, homophobes, religious nuts, etc., ) have put me in a place to where i no longer want to bear the label of "conservative." these ignorant, shameful people, have placed a blemish on conservatism that most likely not wash off during my lifetime.

I reject it when the liberals call me a conservative. I reject it when the conservatives call me a liberal.

Pretty much, i think political extremists, both left and right, are bat**** crazy and i do not care to identify with either.
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YES. All that.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I called into the Alan Colmes show on FoxTalk (a Sirius station about 5 years ago) and presented the same argument. He called me a hater and hung up on me.
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Well, Alan Colmes is definitely an ideologically fanatic leftist. I have been following his radio show now and then and also his participation as a Fox News commentator for years and years now, and I have never EVER heard him say anything good about any right of center concept or any person right of center.
 
Perotista said:
I've been classified as being ultra right and ultra left depending on the subject. I don't let political parties decide my stance on any issue, I make up my own mind. I'm one of those weird people who thinks Obama has done some good things and done some bad things, the same with Bush, with Clinton before him and with Bush the elder.

I still rate Eisenhower as the best president that I have experienced in my lifetime with Jimmy Carter the worst. The rest fall in-between.
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It is amazing what realism can do if one opens up to it.
 
Captain America said:
Well, I have been conditioned, as a cold war baby, do instinctively distrust commies. So, needless to say, I am no Trump fan.

But he will soon be my president. I'm trying to look at it from the bright side. I will get a taste of Moscow and not have renew my passport.

Should we start referring to each other as "comrade?" Maybe put away my Jack Daniels and get used to drinking vodka?

Will we all be mailed an instructional booklet on "How to be a Commie for Dummies?"

Who does this commie thing work? Will they be sending out cards?

BTW..... Welcome to Debate Politics!
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Lol, I detect something lefty here....

I guess that the commie thing in my "lean" could have a fun twist to it, since the left is so concerned about Trump's relationship with Russia. Maybe that will be a new trend here...

On another forum, I was messing with a lefty who was all into the anti Russia thing, and how Trump is going to merge with Russia, so I had some fun. It was one of those threads where as a righty, I was telling him to show me the evidence that Russian hacking is why Trump won. We were going around and around, so I went to my google search engine, and entered "translate show me the evidence Russian". Google spit out the translation of "show me the evidence" for me, and I copied and pasted it into a reply to the lefty who I was arguing with. The lefty came unglued, and called me comrade, and everything else. I giggled, since I don't speak a word of Russian, but the poor lefty just knew from that moment on that I was some kind of Russian spy.

Thanks for the welcome!
 
I got mad at the two parties and decided to go start a better one, with blackjack and hookers. The basic premise of the party is to party, all the time. And when everyone is blackout drunk, we play pin the wig on the Nude Trump statue to figure out who gets to be on the ticket.
 
Praxas said:
What you call punish, others call freedom of speech as well. If you (the general you, not you personally) want to be racist or bigoted, that is your LEGAL right, but it is MY legal right to criticize you for it and choose to not support your business or employ you. Freedom works both ways and you are not free from consequences (good or bad) of your speech.
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There is a huge difference between your choice to not associate with me or support my business or employ and in an organized or mob generated effort to PUNISH me and/or DESTROY me because of my stated beliefs or opinions. The first is to exercise your rights. The second is to deny me mine.
 
ObamacareFail said:
They have also hijacked the term far right. if you have any views that to not meet up to "political correctness" standards, they will label you as far right or alt right.
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They are too kind. I have some other words for the dudes over on the far right.

And to be fair, I must admit a lot of my views aren't even close to being politically correct. I'm no different in that respect.

Perhaps, sometimes, it's not so much the message, as it is the delivery of the message. There are people in this world that couldn't say, "Peace on Earth and goodwill towards men," without sounding like a dickhead. I notice the far right seems to have more than their fair share of those kind of people. But who's keepin' score, right? LOL!
 
Somewhere on DP there is a thread or two about this online political lean test that a bunch of us have taken.

It got me correct.




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KevinKohler said:
I cherry pick. I don't 100%, or even 70% subscribe to any one party ideology. I am pro abortion, but pro gun. I am pro intelegent deregulation, but anti corporation. I am pro progressive taxation, but anti most social safety nets. At least, as they currently are. I'm all over the board.
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I can relate to the not supporting 100% of party ideology. At midterms a couple tears ago, I voted straight Repub as a protest against Obama, and there was a Repub landslide. It was all very exciting at first, and then I figured out that these Repubs who I just voted in were not really on my side! They did not do what they said they would, and I learned a very important lesson about towing the party line.
 
EvMetro said:
Lol, I detect something lefty here....

I guess that the commie thing in my "lean" could have a fun twist to it, since the left is so concerned about Trump's relationship with Russia. Maybe that will be a new trend here...

On another forum, I was messing with a lefty who was all into the anti Russia thing, and how Trump is going to merge with Russia, so I had some fun. It was one of those threads where as a righty, I was telling him to show me the evidence that Russian hacking is why Trump won. We were going around and around, so I went to my google search engine, and entered "translate show me the evidence Russian". Google spit out the translation of "show me the evidence" for me, and I copied and pasted it into a reply to the lefty who I was arguing with. The lefty came unglued, and called me comrade, and everything else. I giggled, since I don't speak a word of Russian, but the poor lefty just knew from that moment on that I was some kind of Russian spy.

Thanks for the welcome!
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You're welcome.

You know, I don't say this enough to my colleagues here at DP, but I just want you to know, commie or not, I already like you. I hope you stick around for a long time.

Happy New Year too.
 
Captain America said:
They are too kind. I have some other words for the dudes over on the far right.

And to be fair, I must admit a lot of my views aren't even close to being politically correct. I'm no different in that respect.

Perhaps, sometimes, it's not so much the message, as it is the delivery of the message. There are people in this world that couldn't say, "Peace on Earth and goodwill towards men," without sounding like a dickhead. I notice the far right seems to have more than their fair share of those kind of people. But who's keepin' score, right? LOL!
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You are one righteous honest dude.

I like that.

+1 2 U

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Praxas said:
What you call punish, others call freedom of speech as well. If you (the general you, not you personally) want to be racist or bigoted, that is your LEGAL right, but it is MY legal right to criticize you for it and choose to not support your business or employ you. Freedom works both ways and you are not free from consequences (good or bad) of your speech.
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Well of course. As Kobie's signature states, "Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism."
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Somewhere on DP there is a thread or two about this online political lean test that a bunch of us have taken.

It got me correct.




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I read a sticky thread like that where there were quadrants on a grid. The quiz that placed my dot was rigged, so the whole thing looked like a crock. All of the terms that were used on it were terms that have been compromised by the left, since lefties have hijacked them. Lefties like to "identify" with trendy sounding political terms, especially hybrid combinations of them, like lefty men like to "identify" with using the little girls room. I have thought a world more of lefties on this thread, since it goes beyond the generic terms.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I'm the same. I switched my lean from "slightly conservative" to "Libertarian" about a year ago, and the very next post directed at me said "WELL, OF COURSE YOU'RE WRONG, LIKE ALL LIBERTARIAN JACKWAGONS". So I immediately switched it to private.

It's just far too hard to have a conversation with someone who 1) thinks they know all of your positions, and 2) automatically thinks you're wrong about everything.
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that's become the overall problem with the libertarian label. There's a lot of knee jerk reaction to it and many people don't quite get the ideological diversity which falls under the overarching libertarian moniker. But I certainly identify much more with libertarianism than anything the Republocrats have been able to throw out in recent decades.
 
TheGoverness said:
Well of course. As Kobie's signature states, "Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism".
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And failure to make room for others on this planet is a rampant problem in spite of all the claims that we value tolerance.

The two go hand in hand, many tee off on those who dont agree with them because they dont believe in tolerance.

I like people who do.
 
Ikari said:
that's become the overall problem with the libertarian label. There's a lot of knee jerk reaction to it and many people don't quite get the ideological diversity which falls under the overarching libertarian moniker. But I certainly identify much more with libertarianism than anything the Republocrats have been able to throw out in recent decades.
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Libertarianism is defintely a very wide political spectrum.
 
Captain America said:
You're welcome.

You know, I don't say this enough to my colleagues here at DP, but I just want you to know, commie or not, I already like you. I hope you stick around for a long time.

Happy New Year too.
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Thanks, and a Happy New Year to you as well. Hopefully, we get a chance to butt heads this coming year. I won't be able to get you with copying and pasting Russian translations, but I am sure we will debate.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Somewhere on DP there is a thread or two about this online political lean test that a bunch of us have taken.

It got me correct.




SIGNED:
HAWkEYE10
:gunsmilie
Proud Member of THE REBELLION Since 9.10.15
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I am reminded of an old lyric line from a song from back in the day.

I went to church incognito
When everybody rose
The Reverend Smith he recognized me
And punched me in the nose...........................................
 
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