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Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

reinoe said:
these are the same people who supported Hillary's pledge to make coal-miners unemployed. liberals are just that vindictive.
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Hell they're already unemployed. I work with an engineer from West Virginia that said it decimated the people in West Virginia.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Saving 1,000 jobs as was promised to do, is no longer something worthy of positive recognition, because it's Trump that did it? What a way to support growth and prosperity. We want the country to succeed and prosper, except if Trump has anything to do with it which in that case we'd rather that people lose their jobs so we have something to bitch about? Yet, the evidence shows, that we'll bitch anyway, so why not be happy about jobs being saved while finding something else to bitch about Trump, given there is a target rich environment of subjects surrounding Trump that are truly bitch worthy?

God, it's gonna to be long 4 years.
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Trump did not even save HALF of the 2100 jobs at stake and the cost is still unknown. I thought we did not negotiate with terrorists? His actions will only serve to make more companies threaten to go off shore so they can reap the benefits.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump did not even save HALF of the 2100 jobs at stake and the cost is still unknown. I thought we did not negotiate with terrorists? His actions will only serve to make more companies threaten to go off shore so they can reap the benefits.
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Are you calling Carrier terrorists?
 
azgreg said:
I didn't read the whole deal but are they not paying any taxes under the deal or just less taxes? Since I didn't read it feel free not to answer if you don't wish to.
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"You're gonna pay a damn tax when you leave this country and you think you're going to sell product because we're all so stupid," Trump said.
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Here's the entire quote.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-to-beat-donald-trump/?utm_term=.60fd157ca8e9

Donald Trump just folded to Carrier. Trump was promising to make Carrier to "pay a damn tax". Instead Carrier just got a tax cut[/FONT][/COLOR]
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It's funny how dishonest that article you posted is.

Trump made a promise that he would save all of these jobs, and we cannot rest until an ironclad contract is signed to ensure that all of these workers are able to continue working in Indiana without having their pay or benefits slashed.
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Please click through to the "On The Issues" page linked to and show me exactly where Trump promised to "save all of these jobs".

Pro tip: you won't be able to find it because nowhere in any of the comments Trump is quoted on does he promise to bring back "all" of the jobs.

He simply promised to bring back jobs.

And it would appear that he's done so here, or rather prevented them from being off-shored.

In exchange for allowing United Technologies to continue to offshore more than 1,000 jobs...
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Again, please click through to the linked WaPo article and point out to me where UTC is is going to "continue to offshore more than 1000 jobs".

Pro tip: The article says no such thing.

It mentions 700 jobs that are still in limbo, but comes right out and says that it is unclear what the status of those jobs current is.

Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies to “pay a damn tax.” He was insisting on very steep tariffs for companies like Carrier that left the United States and wanted to sell their foreign-made products back in the United States. Instead of a damn tax, the company will be rewarded with a damn tax cut. Wow!
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What Trump actually said was this:

"You're gonna pay a damn tax when you leave this country and you think you're going to sell product because we're all so stupid. If I were in office right now, Carrier would not be leaving Indiana, that I can tell you."

So Trump didn't just promise to arbitrarily impose a "damn tax" on Carrier, but rather impose a tax "when you leave this country".

Beyond that, Trump said that if he were president, "Carrier would not be leaving Indiana".

At no point did Trump say that he wasn't willing to make some concessions to Carrier in exchange for keeping those jobs in the U.S.

After all, he's not the king and can't dictate to a private business what they will and will not do.

So it would seem that Trump has been misquoted here at every single turn, did exactly what he said he was going to do, and scored a huge win for the citizens of Indiana employed by Carrier and the American economy more broadly.

You know, you'd think that any American would be happy to learn that his president just saved 1000 badly-needed, good-paying American manufacturing jobs from being sent to Mexico but the mindless ideologues would rather see their fellow Americans jobless than celebrate a victory that comes from the other side of the aisle.

It's pathetic.
 
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VanceMack said:
This epitomizes leftists. A group of people that claim to be for the American worker and workers rights and workign jobs and values...throw all that **** out the window to engage in an ideological battle against the GOP president elect.

"We want American JOBS! You need to support the working man!" OK...got it. Did it. "No...Not YOU. **** you! That was horrible you didnt let those jobs go to mejico!"

Classic.
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Ok, so you want American jobs, and you believe your hero is the man for the job. I may start believing you when he persuades his daughter Ivanka to move the manufacturing of her line of shoes not from China to Ethiopia, but from China to the US. Ivanka Trump Chinese shoe factory is now moving to Africa | Daily Mail Online
 
Beaudreaux said:
Saving 1,000 jobs as was promised to do, is no longer something worthy of positive recognition, because it's Trump that did it? What a way to support growth and prosperity. We want the country to succeed and prosper, except if Trump has anything to do with it which in that case we'd rather that people lose their jobs so we have something to bitch about? Yet, the evidence shows, that we'll bitch anyway, so why not be happy about jobs being saved while finding something else to bitch about Trump, given there is a target rich environment of subjects surrounding Trump that are truly bitch worthy?

God, it's gonna to be long 4 years.
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Remember that people who lose their jobs become dependent on government. ;)
 
iguanaman said:
What would you call an entity that cuts Americans throats by leaving to save a buck? Santa Claus?
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You're off the chain. :roll:
 
iguanaman said:
What would you call an entity that cuts Americans throats by leaving to save a buck? Santa Claus?
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First of all I wouldn't resort to extreme hyperbole. I would call them a business looking out for their stockholders.
 
soot said:
It's funny how dishonest that article you posted is.



Please click through to the "On The Issues" page linked to and show me exactly where Trump promised to "save all of these jobs".

Pro tip: you won't be able to find it because nowhere in any of the comments Trump is quoted on does he promise to bring back "all" of the jobs.

He simply promised to bring back jobs.

And it would appear that he's done so here, or rather prevented them from being off-shored.



Again, please click through to the linked WaPo article and point out to me where UTC is is going to "continue to offshore more than 1000 jobs".

Pro tip: The article says no such thing.



What Trump actually said was this:

"You're gonna pay a damn tax when you leave this country and you think you're going to sell product because we're all so stupid. If I were in office right now, Carrier would not be leaving Indiana, that I can tell you."

So Trump didn't just promise to arbitrarily impose a "damn tax" on Carrier, but rather impose a tax "when you leave this country".

Beyond that, Trump said that if he were president, "Carrier would not be leaving Indiana".

At no point did Trump say that he wasn't willing to make some concessions to Carrier in exchange for keeping those jobs in the U.S.

After all, he's not the king and can't dictate to a private business what they will and will not do.

So it would seem that Trump has been misquoted here at every single turn, did exactly what he said he was going to do, and scored a huge win for the citizens of Indiana employed by Carrier and the American economy more broadly.
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So you have no problem with taxpayers making up the cost difference? Socializing costs while privatizing profits is corporate socialism.
 
VanceMack said:
My hero? No...THIS guys hero...

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But not the hero of the Americans who would get jobs making Ivanka's shoes if her dad persuaded her to move manufacturing to the US. And yes, he is your hero, as evidenced by your support of him.
 
Birdzeye said:
But not the hero of the Americans who would get jobs making Ivanka's shoes if her dad persuaded her to move manufacturing to the US. And yes, he is your hero, as evidenced by your support of him.
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:lamo

Its 50 days from his actual inauguration. I didnt vote for the guy. I think he is a dumbass. But people like you ****ting yourself over the man SAVING US JOBS? TWICE? Come on man...you are a crack up.
 
iguanaman said:
So you have no problem with taxpayers making up the cost difference? Socializing costs while privatizing profits is corporate socialism.
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Can you cite even 1 taxpayer dollar that will be paid to Carrier by the citizens of Indiana?
 
Birdzeye said:
Ok, so you want American jobs, and you believe your hero is the man for the job. I may start believing you when he persuades his daughter Ivanka to move the manufacturing of her line of shoes not from China to Ethiopia, but from China to the US. Ivanka Trump Chinese shoe factory is now moving to Africa | Daily Mail Online
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Why are you purposely being obtuse??? 1) He's not President yet, 2) the laws have been changed yet, and 3) how about you ****ing wait till 1 and 2 are complete and functioning so that it becomes worthwhile to operate in the US? Seriously dude, are you that clueless about how this works? He promised to bring them back to the US, but not before he's President.
 
Traitors gonna trait.

Masturbators gonna misspell.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
There are 1000 jobs still here that would have been gone!

To the average American this is great news!!
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For those keeping score at home: The state of Indiana apparently offered Carrier $700,000 in tax cuts (not payments of Indiana taxes TO Carrier) reductions in Carriers tax burden, and in return, Indiana keeps approx $52 million in job revenue AND avoids having to pay $30-40 million a year in unemployment, healthcare, and other associated benefits.

Yes...one can certainly see why leftists are so bent out of shape over this.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Its 50 days from his actual inauguration. I didnt vote for the guy. I think he is a dumbass. But people like you ****ting yourself over the man SAVING US JOBS? TWICE? Come on man...you are a crack up.
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Oh, he only has to save jobs twice (I know about Carrier, what's the second one?) to satisfy you? That's a pretty low bar you're setting for him.
 
VanceMack said:
For those keeping score at home: The state of Indiana apparently offered Carrier $700,000 in tax cuts (not payments of Indiana taxes TO Carrier) reductions in Carriers tax burden, and in return, Indiana keeps approx $52 million in job revenue AND avoids having to pay $30-40 million a year in unemployment, healthcare, and other associated benefits.

Yes...one can certainly see why leftists are so bent out of shape over this.
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What's unreasonable about expecting him to keep it up?
 
Birdzeye said:
Oh, he only has to save jobs twice (I know about Carrier, what's the second one?) to satisfy you? That's a pretty low bar you're setting for him.
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You must have missed Ford Motor Companies announcement.

Twice...before he has been even inaugurated. Pray tell...what has the Obama administration done during the time it was announced the plant would be relocating?
 
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