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Things Don Can't or Shouldn't or Should Touch

blackjack50

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I was just having a conversation about this. Things we as conservative want done, or things we are concerned Don might try to do that will hurt the party.

Personally? I think the biggest disaster he could bring on our party is to touch Gay Marriage. I think that is a surefire way to kill votes and lose the congress and the presidency. Anyone else?

I'd like to see him enact a bill to protect gun ownership rights via encouraging a better tracking of ineligible owners.


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blackjack50 said:
I was just having a conversation about this. Things we as conservative want done, or things we are concerned Don might try to do that will hurt the party.

Personally? I think the biggest disaster he could bring on our party is to touch Gay Marriage. I think that is a surefire way to kill votes and lose the congress and the presidency. Anyone else?

I'd like to see him enact a bill to protect gun ownership rights via encouraging a better tracking of ineligible owners.


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I don't think once he is sworn in, President Trump will touch Gay Marriage. Nobody cares about that. In the end, the whole issue centered on the definition of a word anyway, so there is nothing there to be concerned with.

I do think the 2nd Amendment is important, so his Supreme Court picks will reflect that.

What I do see him doing is broadening the appeal of the Republican Party by refocusing the core, and pushing back against the fringe elements that have done so much harm to it's image.
 
blackjack50 said:
I was just having a conversation about this. Things we as conservative want done, or things we are concerned Don might try to do that will hurt the party.

Personally? I think the biggest disaster he could bring on our party is to touch Gay Marriage. I think that is a surefire way to kill votes and lose the congress and the presidency. Anyone else?

I'd like to see him enact a bill to protect gun ownership rights via encouraging a better tracking of ineligible owners.


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How exactly do you think he as president or congress can "touch" gay marriage?
 
blackjack50 said:
I was just having a conversation about this. Things we as conservative want done, or things we are concerned Don might try to do that will hurt the party.

Personally? I think the biggest disaster he could bring on our party is to touch Gay Marriage. I think that is a surefire way to kill votes and lose the congress and the presidency. Anyone else?

I'd like to see him enact a bill to protect gun ownership rights via encouraging a better tracking of ineligible owners.

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I'd take that from a different angle. Marriage and its financial and other consequences should be removed from the government's mandate, if gay marriage is to persist. As it is, it is in conflict with the Constitution. Alternatively, we can remove subsidies and replace them with other arrangements. Baring that we should not allow gay marriage. Taking the easy way out is unacceptable. The only other clean way to go is to change the Constitution.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't think once he is sworn in, President Trump will touch Gay Marriage. Nobody cares about that. In the end, the whole issue centered on the definition of a word anyway, so there is nothing there to be concerned with.

I do think the 2nd Amendment is important, so his Supreme Court picks will reflect that.

What I do see him doing is broadening the appeal of the Republican Party by refocusing the core, and pushing back against the fringe elements that have done so much harm to it's image.
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I think the most damaging things to republican image have been the racist elements and the anti gay elements. If I were someone in charge, I would be pushing back for fiscal conservatism and some minor social liberalism. Our party has not done well recently. The "political correctness" movement had traction for a reason. Our party didn't tune in well. Now it is only pushing back because the left went too far.


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Crovax said:
How exactly do you think he as president or congress can "touch" gay marriage?
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Not sure. Pandering. Passing bills. The gay community is a 7-10% vote with a lot of support. Trying to push too hard there is not a good idea.


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blackjack50 said:
I think the most damaging things to republican image have been the racist elements and the anti gay elements. If I were someone in charge, I would be pushing back for fiscal conservatism and some minor social liberalism. Our party has not done well recently. The "political correctness" movement had traction for a reason. Our party didn't tune in well. Now it is only pushing back because the left went too far.


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The most damaging thing to the Republican Party image is allowing the media to invent the size and influence of those who don't share the big tent beliefs of the body of the party. Those who could be accurately defined as racists have no home in the Republican Party, and the Party shouldn't allow the media and the opposition to suggest they do.

Also, allowing the message that there is a religious litmus test that must be passed in order to be part of it is a damaging belief that must be eliminated.

Religion is a personal choice, and has no place as a topic of discussion or policy in a National Political Party.
 
Trump and the Republicans need to stay away from marriage equality and abortion rights. They also need to leave the states alone that are legalizing marijuana. Focus on economics, trade deals, encouraging small businesses and healthcare reform.

As for immigration? Stay away from mass deportations. The optics will be bad. Building the wall or strengthening border security won't likely cost votes. Punish employers who hire undocumented workers rather than vilifying the workers themselves. That way you will accomplish your goal of fewer undocumented immigrants without looking like monsters to half the country.
 
joG said:
I'd take that from a different angle. Marriage and its financial and other consequences should be removed from the government's mandate, if gay marriage is to persist. As it is, it is in conflict with the Constitution. Alternatively, we can remove subsidies and replace them with other arrangements. Baring that we should not allow gay marriage. Taking the easy way out is unacceptable. The only other clean way to go is to change the Constitution.
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How the heck is gay marriage in conflict with the constitution?
 
blackjack50 said:
I was just having a conversation about this. Things we as conservative want done, or things we are concerned Don might try to do that will hurt the party.

Personally? I think the biggest disaster he could bring on our party is to touch Gay Marriage. I think that is a surefire way to kill votes and lose the congress and the presidency. Anyone else?

I'd like to see him enact a bill to protect gun ownership rights via encouraging a better tracking of ineligible owners.


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Trump is on record as supporting gay marriage.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't think once he is sworn in, President Trump will touch Gay Marriage. Nobody cares about that. In the end, the whole issue centered on the definition of a word anyway, so there is nothing there to be concerned with.

I do think the 2nd Amendment is important, so his Supreme Court picks will reflect that.

What I do see him doing is broadening the appeal of the Republican Party by refocusing the core, and pushing back against the fringe elements that have done so much harm to it's image.
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How do you reconcile your vision with the reality that Trump received less votes than either McCain or Romney?

(Hint: you can't... his appeal is obviously narrower)
 
BrewerBob said:
Trump and the Republicans need to stay away from marriage equality and abortion rights. They also need to leave the states alone that are legalizing marijuana. Focus on economics, trade deals, encouraging small businesses and healthcare reform.

As for immigration? Stay away from mass deportations. The optics will be bad. Building the wall or strengthening border security won't likely cost votes. Punish employers who hire undocumented workers rather than vilifying the workers themselves. That way you will accomplish your goal of fewer undocumented immigrants without looking like monsters to half the country.
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The GOP has a decision to make. Do they listen to the will of the voters who rejected their efforts? I suggest they do.

Nobody really cares about gay marriage. The whole issue centered on the definition of the word, and had little to do with the treatment the government would provide as a result. There is no will among the vast majority to make any changes to what has taken place.

Abortion is a third rail issue that should be left alone.

As you wrote, jobs, trade, healthcare, the overall economy, are the issues the people have first and foremost on their minds.

The issue of illegal aliens is significant and must be addressed. E-verify, or some form of it, must be adopted universally to protect business and show due dillegence on their part to comply with employment law.

Catastrophic, punitive penalties must be put in place against employers of all kinds who knowingly hire illegal aliens. The huge cost being born by taxpayers to allow illegal aliens to remain in the country and exploiting it's opportunities, must end. That money needs to be channeled to other priorities in education and infrastructure that would so positively impact all citizens and benefit the nation.
 
RickJames3000 said:
How do you reconcile your vision with the reality that Trump received less votes than either McCain or Romney?

(Hint: you can't... his appeal is obviously narrower)
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I compare that with the truth that Hillary got 6 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012. Reconcile that.
 
ocean515 said:
I compare that with the truth that Hillary got 6 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012. Reconcile that.
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That's not what I asked you. We're not talking about Hillary in this thread.
What evidence do you have that Trump's message is appealing to a broader range of Republicans?


PS: Shockingly, I agree with much of your post where you outlined how the GOP should adjust its priorities. Perhaps there is some room for bipartisanship after all.
 
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deportations. Trump won largely because Hillary Clinton is possibly the most hated woman in America. If the Dems had put up pretty much anyone else they would have won the election. Given that the Republicans still need the support of the Latino community and more than the 29% that Trump got. They won't get it by mass round ups and deportations.



As to gay marriage. Trump is a gay marriage supporter. It's probably not even a consideration to him
 
RickJames3000 said:
That's not what I asked you. We're not talking about Hillary in this thread.
What evidence do you have that Trump's message is appealing to a broader range of Republicans?


PS: Shockingly, I agree with much of your post where you outlined how the GOP should adjust its priorities. Perhaps there is some room for bipartisanship after all.
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I haven't suggested Trumps message was appealing to broader range of Republicans. Where did you get that?

There were Republicans who abandoned the party to speak and run against Trump. The GOP barely lifted a finger. It's the voters who put Trump in the White House, not the GOP.
 
ocean515 said:
I haven't suggested Trumps message was appealing to broader range of Republicans. Where did you get that?

There were Republicans who abandoned the party to speak and run against Trump. The GOP barely lifted a finger. It's the voters who put Trump in the White House, not the GOP.
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OK... you did say, "What I do see him doing is broadening the appeal of the Republican Party". Still, it doesn't answer the question I asked:

"How do you reconcile your vision with the reality that Trump received less votes than either McCain or Romney?"
 
RickJames3000 said:
OK... you did say, "What I do see him doing is broadening the appeal of the Republican Party". Still, it doesn't answer the question I asked:

"How do you reconcile your vision with the reality that Trump received less votes than either McCain or Romney?"
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I've already answered that question.
 
RickJames3000 said:
You haven't and you can't.
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Well, I will admit I can't answer it to your satisfaction, but I don't care about that.

Hillary got 6 million fewer votes than Obama, Trump may have got fewer than previous candidates. So what?

You can't seem to articulate the curious point you're attempting to make so I'm pretty much willing to ignore your requests.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, I will admit I can't answer it to your satisfaction, but I don't care about that.

Hillary got 6 million fewer votes than Obama, Trump may have got fewer than previous candidates. So what?

You can't seem to articulate the curious point you're attempting to make so I'm pretty much willing to ignore your requests.
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If you are confused, I can only assume it's a reading comprehension issue on your part, because my question was direct.
You don't have to make any excuses for not wanting to answer a question.
 
RickJames3000 said:
If you are confused, I can only assume it's a reading comprehension issue on your part, because my question was direct.
You don't have to make any excuses for not wanting to answer a question.
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Not a reading problem. It's your inability to articulate your question.
 
blackjack50 said:
I was just having a conversation about this. Things we as conservative want done, or things we are concerned Don might try to do that will hurt the party.

Personally? I think the biggest disaster he could bring on our party is to touch Gay Marriage. I think that is a surefire way to kill votes and lose the congress and the presidency. Anyone else?

I'd like to see him enact a bill to protect gun ownership rights via encouraging a better tracking of ineligible owners.


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He shouldn't touch SSM or Roe V Wade. Those two will definitely cost Republican's the white house and House and Senate next chance possible.
 
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