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Don't Count Clinton Electoral College Votes

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Just watched the Trump speech from Gettysburg in which he outlined his plan for the First 100 Days. He spent the first part airing his grievances against the media and saying that Hillary Clinton never should have been allowed to run because the Obama administration covered up her crimes and refused to prosecute her. A light bulb went on for me and I wonder if anyone else sees it also.

Trump can see himself losing and has already talked about the possibility of challenging the results. Most people think that means demonstrating something wrong with the count or proving voter fraud. What if that is not it at all? What if it is not about the results of the vote but the idea that any vote for Clinton in the first place should be null and void according to his claim that she should not even have been allowed to run?

Discounting all the votes for Clinton would give him victories in 50 states - or maybe 49 if Utah votes for neither one - and would obviously give him the election.

I seriously wonder if this is his end game.

Your thoughts and speculation are welcome.
 
haymarket said:
Just watched the Trump speech from Gettysburg in which he outlined his plan for the First 100 Days. He spent the first part airing his grievances against the media and saying that Hillary Clinton never should have been allowed to run because the Obama administration covered up her crimes and refused to prosecute her. A light bulb went on for me and I wonder if anyone else sees it also.

Trump can see himself losing and has already talked about the possibility of challenging the results. Most people think that means demonstrating something wrong with the count or proving voter fraud. What if that is not it at all? What if it is not about the results of the vote but the idea that any vote for Clinton in the first place should be null and void according to his claim that she should not even have been allowed to run?

Discounting all the votes for Clinton would give him victories in 50 states - or maybe 49 if Utah votes for neither one - and would obviously give him the election.

I seriously wonder if this is his end game.

Your thoughts and speculation are welcome.
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I think it's a twofer throw down.
1. any attempts at voter fraud, for real, with be more difficult, because of all the scrutiny.
2. It's free airtime.

Your idea is certainly plausible, not sure if likely though.
 
Aaaaargh. I'm just so sick of this election.

November 8th can't come soon enough.
 
haymarket said:
Just watched the Trump speech from Gettysburg in which he outlined his plan for the First 100 Days. He spent the first part airing his grievances against the media and saying that Hillary Clinton never should have been allowed to run because the Obama administration covered up her crimes and refused to prosecute her. A light bulb went on for me and I wonder if anyone else sees it also.

Trump can see himself losing and has already talked about the possibility of challenging the results. Most people think that means demonstrating something wrong with the count or proving voter fraud. What if that is not it at all? What if it is not about the results of the vote but the idea that any vote for Clinton in the first place should be null and void according to his claim that she should not even have been allowed to run?

Discounting all the votes for Clinton would give him victories in 50 states - or maybe 49 if Utah votes for neither one - and would obviously give him the election.

I seriously wonder if this is his end game.

Your thoughts and speculation are welcome.
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His voice was really somber for him, and his national political director just quit, and his paranoia is growing.

First noticed this at the Al Smith Dinner, where he sounded like he was giving his own political eulogy.

I think it's finally dawning on him that his asshat's game is up.
 
haymarket said:
Just watched the Trump speech from Gettysburg in which he outlined his plan for the First 100 Days. He spent the first part airing his grievances against the media and saying that Hillary Clinton never should have been allowed to run because the Obama administration covered up her crimes and refused to prosecute her. A light bulb went on for me and I wonder if anyone else sees it also.

Trump can see himself losing and has already talked about the possibility of challenging the results. Most people think that means demonstrating something wrong with the count or proving voter fraud. What if that is not it at all? What if it is not about the results of the vote but the idea that any vote for Clinton in the first place should be null and void according to his claim that she should not even have been allowed to run?

Discounting all the votes for Clinton would give him victories in 50 states - or maybe 49 if Utah votes for neither one - and would obviously give him the election.

I seriously wonder if this is his end game.

Your thoughts and speculation are welcome.
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sigh...

Making sense of what Trump says is hard enough without compounding the problem by trying to detect or speculate on "what he REALLY meant".

Look. With Hillary, you really do need to parse her words because she's slick that way. With Trump...not so much.
 
haymarket said:
Just watched the Trump speech from Gettysburg in which he outlined his plan for the First 100 Days. He spent the first part airing his grievances against the media and saying that Hillary Clinton never should have been allowed to run because the Obama administration covered up her crimes and refused to prosecute her. A light bulb went on for me and I wonder if anyone else sees it also.

Trump can see himself losing and has already talked about the possibility of challenging the results. Most people think that means demonstrating something wrong with the count or proving voter fraud. What if that is not it at all? What if it is not about the results of the vote but the idea that any vote for Clinton in the first place should be null and void according to his claim that she should not even have been allowed to run?

Discounting all the votes for Clinton would give him victories in 50 states - or maybe 49 if Utah votes for neither one - and would obviously give him the election.

I seriously wonder if this is his end game.

Your thoughts and speculation are welcome.
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Nothing in the constitution forbids Hillary clinton from running.

Heck, Eugene debs was in prison at the time of his presidential candidacy and he still received 900,000 votes
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Nothing in the constitution forbids Hillary clinton from running.

Heck, Eugene debs was in prison at the time of his presidential candidacy and he still received 900,000 votes
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An excellent observation.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Think there's gonna be a civil war? Or a constitutional crisis of some sort? I hope the UN steps in.
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Su much of this depends on Steve Bannon and his influence. Is Bannon able to influence Trump to the point that he can manipulate him to do all in his power in November and December to throw mud and feces at the election results and do everything imaginable to discredit the process? After all - Bannon has stated he wants to destroy the state - and this would be a way to start that crusade.
 
haymarket said:
Su much of this depends on Steve Bannon and his influence. Is Bannon able to influence Trump to the point that he can manipulate him to do all in his power in November and December to throw mud and feces at the election results and do everything imaginable to discredit the process? After all - Bannon has stated he wants to destroy the state - and this would be a way to start that crusade.
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Trump cannot override the constitution. If Hilliary wins the 270 electoral votes need to constitute a majority, she is considered president elect according to the constitution.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Trump cannot override the constitution. If Hilliary wins the 270 electoral votes need to constitute a majority, she is considered president elect according to the constitution.
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I am in total agreement. Clinton will be president if she wins the necessary EC votes. My OP simply is speculating about Trump setting us up for a roller coaster ride of desperation even though we know his car will be derailed.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
His voice was really somber for him, and his national political director just quit, and his paranoia is growing.

First noticed this at the Al Smith Dinner, where he sounded like he was giving his own political eulogy.

I think it's finally dawning on him that his asshat's game is up.
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I noticed the change in voice too. It has happened a couple of times on the campaign trail, but usually when he is given something to say and it's not his off the rails nonsense that he likes to spout. The speech today, sure did look staged to me. Was that more teleprompter reading??? Maybe if O'Keefe is working with the Trump campaign moreso than we know, this is his doing. Obvious is Obvious.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Think there's gonna be a civil war? Or a constitutional crisis of some sort? I hope the UN steps in.
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I'm thinking at a four month crapstorm whereby Trump and his supporters baselessly attack the legitimacy of the election results. The media, no longer being required to give him free air time, will choose to give him free air time anyway. The result is that we will needlessly be subjected to nearly an additional half year of hell.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm thinking at a four month crapstorm whereby Trump and his supporters baselessly attack the legitimacy of the election results. The media, no longer being required to give him free air time, will choose to give him free air time anyway. The result is that we will needlessly be subjected to nearly an additional half year of hell.
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Just imagine where we'd be if Hillary had won in 2008/2012. I think a lot of the reason Trump is doing so badly (besides his own stupidity and ineptitude) is because of Obama. I don't know what we'd do without such a stability. Trump would've run right over us. Even with all of the establishment and global elite throwing everything they've got at him they didn't slow him down until recently as a month ago. Goes to show the U.S. is much more fragile than it appears. The entire world system, really.
 
haymarket said:
Just watched the Trump speech from Gettysburg in which he outlined his plan for the First 100 Days. He spent the first part airing his grievances against the media and saying that Hillary Clinton never should have been allowed to run because the Obama administration covered up her crimes and refused to prosecute her. A light bulb went on for me and I wonder if anyone else sees it also.

Trump can see himself losing and has already talked about the possibility of challenging the results. Most people think that means demonstrating something wrong with the count or proving voter fraud. What if that is not it at all? What if it is not about the results of the vote but the idea that any vote for Clinton in the first place should be null and void according to his claim that she should not even have been allowed to run?

Discounting all the votes for Clinton would give him victories in 50 states - or maybe 49 if Utah votes for neither one - and would obviously give him the election.

I seriously wonder if this is his end game.

Your thoughts and speculation are welcome.
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You have entirely too much time on your hands. Consider doing some volunteer work.
 
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