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Liberals: Examples of Institutional Racism?

EMNofSeattle said:
actually that's rarely a problem. even gang members are usually polite, if they don't have a reason to bother you they mostly don't, it's bad for business to involve third parties in their problems.
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Not sure if you're kidding or not, but if that's the case then it's a little different here in Detroit than it is in Seattle.
 
RAMOSS said:
I am saying that you are taking things and trying to rationalize the fact that the black community doesn't have a good relations with police for a very good reason.. .. and a large portion of that is because of the way they are treated. This is not just an inner city problem. That is through out the entire black community. You are trying to make excuses, and are hand waving evidence away. I wonder why?

Have you talked to any of your black friends about it??

I know someone who is very middle class black.. and she keeps her license on her front seat, so she doesn't have to reach into her purse, or her glove compartment , so she doesn't get shot for innocent actions if stopped by the police.

Did you know that in 2006, there was an FBI report saying that the law enforcement groups are being infiltrated by white supremists??

2006 FBI Report on White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement: You Will Be Assimilated
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These videos of black guys getting killed by police over the past few years, these are example of people who don't have their license on the front seat. They're often flat out refusing to comply with police. That's part of my evidence.

The other part is what I've personally seen and heard. I stood at a customers house once in Ann Arbor Mi when we noticed a cop pulling someone over across the street. Suddenly, a school bus pulls up and a bunch of kids get off and notice the cop and start casually shouting out the most disrespectful names you could think of. It was just human nature for these kids to treat this cop like trash, and guess what, he didn't do anything about it. Is this story shocking to you?
 
JC Callender said:
This question is mainly for liberals who love throwing around the race card but anyone can chime in. I often hear of institutional racism going on in today's American society and I'm curious to know exactly what it is? :popcorn2:
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?? I really don't understand your post so I need more info to thoroughly answer.
Why is the question "mainly for liberals"?
Why are you asking, do you honestly not know what it is or are you under the belief it doesn't exist?
 
JC Callender said:
These videos of black guys getting killed by police over the past few years, these are example of people who don't have their license on the front seat. They're often flat out refusing to comply with police. That's part of my evidence.

The other part is what I've personally seen and heard. I stood at a customers house once in Ann Arbor Mi when we noticed a cop pulling someone over across the street. Suddenly, a school bus pulls up and a bunch of kids get off and notice the cop and start casually shouting out the most disrespectful names you could think of. It was just human nature for these kids to treat this cop like trash, and guess what, he didn't do anything about it. Is this story shocking to you?
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Yet, white folks do the same thign.. and nothing happens. Saying NO shouldn't be a death sentence. It seems you want to find excuses.. and ignore reality.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, white folks do the same thign.. and nothing happens. Saying NO shouldn't be a death sentence. It seems you want to find excuses.. and ignore reality.
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Really? I've given you evidence in videos. Do you have evidence of white people talking trash and not complying and getting away with it? Btw, would you be surprised if I told you that more whites were killed by police than blacks?

And another thing, failure to comply isn't a death sentence but it brings things to a deadly serious level, esp. when dealing with a black citizen. If you get too rough while trying to apprehend a black citizen, you can kiss your career goodbye. You don't think black criminals know that? So now it's a deadly game of how exactly is the cop going to apprehend the criminal, and that's usually when the killing happens. Failure to comply is a major problem in inner cities.
 
RAMOSS said:
I am saying that you are taking things and trying to rationalize the fact that the black community doesn't have a good relations with police for a very good reason.. .. and a large portion of that is because of the way they are treated. This is not just an inner city problem. That is through out the entire black community. You are trying to make excuses, and are hand waving evidence away. I wonder why?

Have you talked to any of your black friends about it??

I know someone who is very middle class black.. and she keeps her license on her front seat, so she doesn't have to reach into her purse, or her glove compartment , so she doesn't get shot for innocent actions if stopped by the police.

Did you know that in 2006, there was an FBI report saying that the law enforcement groups are being infiltrated by white supremists??

2006 FBI Report on White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement: You Will Be Assimilated
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The trouble with the thread is, he wanted examples so he could use personal and otherwise anecdotal evidence against, and come up with excuses to prove it doesn't really exist, and did a poor job even at that.

To that other guy talking about black racism, sure that exists, but much of it is due to institutional racism, it's a vicious circle.
 
markjs said:
The trouble with the thread is, he wanted examples so he could use personal and otherwise anecdotal evidence against, and come up with excuses to prove it doesn't really exist, and did a poor job even at that.

To that other guy talking about black racism, sure that exists, but much of it is due to institutional racism, it's a vicious circle.
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Wrong. I want you to clearly tell me what institutional racism is instead of giving me a bunch of stats that could easily point out failures in (mainly inner city) blacks themselves. When someone talks about crack users getting a stiffer jail sentence than cocaine users, you immediately think "Gee, crack is a black drug, must be racist". Well there's another simple way to look at it and that's the dramatic increase in crime once crack was introduced. Why do you suppose you avoid that obvious fact?
 
JC Callender said:
Wrong. I want you to clearly tell me what institutional racism is instead of giving me a bunch of stats that could easily point out failures in (mainly inner city) blacks themselves. When someone talks about crack users getting a stiffer jail sentence than cocaine users, you immediately think "Gee, crack is a black drug, must be racist". Well there's another simple way to look at it and that's the dramatic increase in crime once crack was introduced. Why do you suppose you avoid that obvious fact?
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Although I may have missed it, I don't believe anyone mentioned promoting and rewarding illegal immigration. It is a statistical fact illegal aliens have caused significant economic harm to the most vulnerable communities. This would include historically Black communities.

Spending $100 billion a year or more to house, educate, etc., illegal aliens means less revenue available to invest in these challenged communities.

Clearly, the promote/reward aspect related to illegal aliens is a significant illustration of institutional racism on the part of those pushing it. Further, it most likely reveals high levels of individual racism, but that is a topic for another thread.
 
ocean515 said:
Although I may have missed it, I don't believe anyone mentioned promoting and rewarding illegal immigration. It is a statistical fact illegal aliens have caused significant economic harm to the most vulnerable communities. This would include historically Black communities.

Spending $100 billion a year or more to house, educate, etc., illegal aliens means less revenue available to invest in these challenged communities.

Clearly, the promote/reward aspect related to illegal aliens is a significant illustration of institutional racism on the part of those pushing it. Further, it most likely reveals high levels of individual racism, but that is a topic for another thread.
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Great point! And I'm glad you brought it up here. It's funny how little the law means to liberals. If you apprehend a minority criminal, you're a racist. If you don't apprehend them, you should be subsidizing whatever hustle their involved in. Liberals are the ultimate enablers in our country.
 
JC Callender said:
Great point! And I'm glad you brought it up here. It's funny how little the law means to liberals. If you apprehend a minority criminal, you're a racist. If you don't apprehend them, you should be subsidizing whatever hustle their involved in. Liberals are the ultimate enablers in our country.
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It breaks my heart to see the decimation illegal aliens have caused in Black Communities around Southern California. Demographics show Blacks are a minority in Compton.

I'm equally heart broken to see these communities support candidates who are responsible for the increased challenges they are facing as a result.

While there have been too many generations brainwashed by propaganda to expect a change in support to Republicans, I hope these communities use their power and get in the face of those on the left who have willfully been exploiting them for decades. It's freaking criminal in my opinion.
 
azgreg said:
I'm no expert, but a quick search turned this up and it makes sense.

What is Institutional Racism?
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That's not institutionalized racism, that's people living irresponsibly and not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions. Nobody is doing it to them, they are doing it to themselves and blaming others.
 
JC Callender said:
This question is mainly for liberals who love throwing around the race card but anyone can chime in. I often hear of institutional racism going on in today's American society and I'm curious to know exactly what it is? :popcorn2:
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It has to be simple for the fantastical right wing to understand. Color is pretty simple. Otherwise, it is mostly about economic discrimination, not racism.
 
JC Callender said:
Let's start here: Would you say black drivers are just as likely as white drivers (or any other race) to have a drivers license and insurance?
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And, when police are looking for criminals, is it more likely that they would pull over black drivers because they match the reported descriptions than white drivers? According to these regressive idiots, the police should waste their time pulling over everyone, even people who clearly don't match the description, or they're racist.
 
danielpalos said:
It has to be simple for the fantastical right wing to understand. Color is pretty simple. Otherwise, it is mostly about economic discrimination, not racism.
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But we're not the ones claiming racism, you are. Like it or not, economic class is not a strict scrutiny category, it is perfectly legal to discriminate on the basis of economic class. Of course you haven't demonstrated that anyone is actually doing so, any more than you've demonstrated institutionalized racism, and screaming about color all the time gets you attention, thus the political left does it constantly. Just saying there is institutionalized racism doesn't show that institutionalized racism actually exists. Why don't you actually take the time to prove what you're claiming, instead of getting all emotional over it?
 
Cephus said:
But we're not the ones claiming racism, you are. Like it or not, economic class is not a strict scrutiny category, it is perfectly legal to discriminate on the basis of economic class. Of course you haven't demonstrated that anyone is actually doing so, any more than you've demonstrated institutionalized racism, and screaming about color all the time gets you attention, thus the political left does it constantly. Just saying there is institutionalized racism doesn't show that institutionalized racism actually exists. Why don't you actually take the time to prove what you're claiming, instead of getting all emotional over it?
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Just right wing revisionism while not calling it fantasy? The left merely responded to what the right was already doing. Too PC for the right wing? Jim Crow was not, left wing Utopian fantasy.
 
danielpalos said:
Just right wing revisionism while not calling it fantasy? The left merely responded to what the right was already doing. Too PC for the right wing? Jim Crow was not, left wing Utopian fantasy.
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There's no revisionism, there's reality. Maybe you ought to take off your liberal-tinted glasses and look at the world the way it actually is and not the way your idiotic ideology insists it must be.
 
Cephus said:
There's no revisionism, there's reality. Maybe you ought to take off your liberal-tinted glasses and look at the world the way it actually is and not the way your idiotic ideology insists it must be.
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Only the right seems to have a problem with it. Should we ask black Kentucky Colonels, for leadership advice for our "black problem", by asking them to "muster their regiments"?
 
danielpalos said:
Only the right seems to have a problem with it. Should we ask black Kentucky Colonels, for leadership advice for our "black problem", by asking them to "muster their regiments"?
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Why do you insist on living in the past? This is not the Civil War. This is 2016. Rent a clue.
 
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