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Hillary landslide debate victory

I really doubt it. The spread might be a couple of points more than it is. In this country there are two groups, Democrats and Republicans. Sure, there are independents, but polling consistently shows that if anything they are more partisan in their voting patterns than those that actually declare a party affiliation. There are some Democratic voters that will vote for moderate Republicans as well (in state and local elections I vote Republican considerably more than I vote Democrat), but few Republican voters will vote for a Democrat under any circumstances.

I don't know. Trumps been hanging around 39-40 %. Biden or Obama would be in the 50's for sure if they were running. Obama would beat Trump 60-40. At least.
 
They were at a tie before the debate, and she's suddenly 2.5 points ahead of Donald even before all the post-debate polls are in. If you want to argue the extent of a debate boost then that's one thing. But to argue "she got not boost from the debate at all" is just goofy.

2.5 is between the margin of error of +-3%. hence why it is still called a statistical tie. when dealing with aggregated +-4%
 
I don't know. Trumps been hanging around 39-40 %. Biden or Obama would be in the 50's for sure if they were running. Obama would beat Trump 60-40. At least.
biden would probably be well ahead as well.

I don't like trump I wasn't even going to vote for him in the primary. I was out of town anyway.
however there is no way I would vote for Clinton and the other candidates don't appeal to me either.

while casting a vote for Johnson would be more of a statement it would be a vote for Clinton and I can't
bring myself to do that.
 
I don't know. Trumps been hanging around 39-40 %. Biden or Obama would be in the 50's for sure if they were running. Obama would beat Trump 60-40. At least.
You might be right about Obama, but then again Trump would be facing an incumbent president with a relatively high popularity and an improving economy. Still, about half the country hates Obama as they did 4 and 8 years ago. A 20 point spread seems doubtful.

As for the OP, Clinton doesn't need a big bounce in the national aggregate polls to get real benefits in the swing states. Nate Silver has an article today that shows Florida inching away from Trump since the debate. And we still haven't seen the impact, if any, of the tax story in the polls. 1-3% shifts toward Clinton in the rust belt just days before the election is not good news for Trump. But, he still has 2 debates and Assange pledging to "end" Clinton's campaign with his October Surprise, so things will remain interesting for awhile yet.
 
NO WAY! One of the liberal "alphabets" is fellating Hillary? You don't say! Next thing you know, CBS News is gonna say water is wet.
 
Do you live in a swing state? If not, you literally have nothing to lose by voting third party.

yes I do. even if I didn't I still couldn't bring myself to throw away a vote even based on principle.
 
It always has been. The surprising thing has always been how badly she's performed as a campaigner.
The real question of this campaign is why isn't Hillary 20 points ahead of this guy?
The reason, to answer both of your posts, is because Clinton always comes off as insincere. Much like Ted Cruz, you get the feeling Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected, anything to acquire power. Even Democrats are not overly excited for her, they just see her as the best chance to win the election.

Hillary Clinton is a used car salesperson. Everyone knows it. She'll do everything technically or legally correct, but will regularly operate in the gray areas if it advances her ambition. And, ultimately, people know her primary motivation is power.

If the Republicans hadn't turned insane over the last 8 years by the idea of a black man in the White House, they could have nominated a competent candidate and won the Presidency. But they chose the other route.
 
The reason, to answer both of your posts, is because Clinton always comes off as insincere. Much like Ted Cruz, you get the feeling Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected, anything to acquire power. Even Democrats are not overly excited for her, they just see her as the best chance to win the election.

Hillary Clinton is a used car salesperson. Everyone knows it. She'll do everything technically or legally correct, but will regularly operate in the gray areas if it advances her ambition. And, ultimately, people know her primary motivation is power.

If the Republicans hadn't turned insane over the last 8 years by the idea of a black man in the White House, they could have nominated a competent candidate and won the Presidency. But they chose the other route.
You had a good post going until you injected that moronic accusation of racism. It seems you liberals just cant help yourselves.
 
You had a good post going until you injected that moronic accusation of racism. It seems you liberals just cant help yourselves.
I'm not a liberal. That's absurd.

I'm someone believes in honesty and common sense. For you to deny the vitriol directed towards President Obama is dumb. No other President has had his birth place questioned like Obama. No other President has faced the number of filibusters. While John McCain, to his credit, corrected the woman who called Obama an "Arab", you are completely wrong if you think that woman was the only person who believed such a thing.

Let me be clear on this. I'm not necessarily all Republicans have a problem with Obama's skin color. I don't believe that. I'm also not saying all or any Republican politicians have a problem with his skin color (I'm sure some do but most probably don't). But you're just fooling yourself if you think there is not a significant percentage of the Republican constituency that does hold racist leanings. You can see it in this election with Donald Trump and his constant demonization of Mexicans and his wall. And as a personal anecdote, my mother is married to a very good man, but one who told me, point blank, he didn't want Obama in the White House because he was a Muslim and we can't have Muslims in government. Again, he's a really good man, don't get me wrong, but he sincerely believed that. I don't recall any other President being accused of being a Muslim.

I'm not interjecting accusations of racism, I'm accurately describing what has happened over the last 8 years. You can deny it if you want, but it won't make it any less true. The Republican Party turned bats*** crazy over the last 8 years, to the point where they have now nominated a man who once claimed her could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose any votes. And that's why there's a very good chance the Republicans will, once again, lose an election they should win.
 
I'm not a liberal. That's absurd.

I'm someone believes in honesty and common sense. For you to deny the vitriol directed towards President Obama is dumb. No other President has had his birth place questioned like Obama. No other President has faced the number of filibusters. While John McCain, to his credit, corrected the woman who called Obama an "Arab", you are completely wrong if you think that woman was the only person who believed such a thing.

Let me be clear on this. I'm not necessarily all Republicans have a problem with Obama's skin color. I don't believe that. I'm also not saying all or any Republican politicians have a problem with his skin color (I'm sure some do but most probably don't). But you're just fooling yourself if you think there is not a significant percentage of the Republican constituency that does hold racist leanings. You can see it in this election with Donald Trump and his constant demonization of Mexicans and his wall. And as a personal anecdote, my mother is married to a very good man, but one who told me, point blank, he didn't want Obama in the White House because he was a Muslim and we can't have Muslims in government. Again, he's a really good man, don't get me wrong, but he sincerely believed that. I don't recall any other President being accused of being a Muslim.

I'm not interjecting accusations of racism, I'm accurately describing what has happened over the last 8 years. You can deny it if you want, but it won't make it any less true. The Republican Party turned bats*** crazy over the last 8 years, to the point where they have now nominated a man who once claimed her could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose any votes. And that's why there's a very good chance the Republicans will, once again, lose an election they should win.
Was it Bill Clintons race that made the right go 'bat**** crazy during his 8 years? No. Is it Hillarys race that makes them go bat**** crazy over her? No. But somehow when they go bat**** crazy over Obama its because of his skin color. That accusation is just bat**** crazy leftist bull****. The rights opposition to Obama is ideological and his hatred of the political right is every bit as real. The idea that this can be boiled down to skin color is nonsense. The division between right and left in this country is as deep as it has ever been and the anger and hatred that exists between them is purely ideological not race based. For proof you only need to look here at DP. I have yet to see anyone suddenly switch sides or take a harsher, more conspiratorial tone upon discovering the race of their ideological foe. The right dislikes Obama because his is a man of the left. The dislike only grows when Obama demonstrates his political superiority. The simple fact is, if Obama were white, he would be receiving the exact same level of vitriol from the right as he does now.

As an aside, it would be an interesting poll question to ask republicans who they would prefer--a Hillary presidency or 4 more years of Obama? I would be willing to bet that these supposedly racist republican would prefer Obama.
 
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2.5 is between the margin of error of +-3%. hence why it is still called a statistical tie. when dealing with aggregated +-4%

And that's absolutely fine in isolated polls. When the trend across multiple polls all show the same movement, that's when the margin of error becomes less meaningful.
 
Was it Bill Clintons race that made the right go 'bat**** crazy during his 8 years?
I don't recall saying Republicans did. :shrug:

Is it Hillarys race that makes them go bat**** crazy over her?
I don't see any Republicans accusing her of being a Muslim or from another country. :shrug:

That accusation is just bat**** crazy leftist bull****.
It doesn't take more than a couple of seconds of Googling to find plenty of examples. Perhaps you should try?

The simple fact is, if Obama were white, he would be receiving the exact same level of vitriol from the right as he does now.
If Obama was white, no one would be calling him an Arab.

We've had Democratic Presidents before. But it's only been in the last 8 years that the Republican Party has completely lost its mind. And, again, they nominated Donald Trump.
 
Do you live in a swing state? If not, you literally have nothing to lose by voting third party.

How is casting a vote for third party in a state where your vote will be the least statistically meaningful "making a statement?"
 
How is casting a vote for third party in a state where your vote will be the least statistically meaningful "making a statement?"

It isn't much of one, and it's not what I'm actually focused on at this point; I like to remind people on here that the vast majority of Americans have almost no actual say in who becomes President once the Primaries are over.
 
I don't recall saying Republicans did. :shrug:

I don't see any Republicans accusing her of being a Muslim or from another country. :shrug:
Why would they? That point makes zero sense. The suspicions of Obamas background existed because his background wasn't immediately clear. Plus the charges of him being a Muslim first came up during the PRIMARY, by democrats. At the time I was married to an Irish Catholic with a large democrat family. The first I ever heard of any muslim link came from them, not my friends on the right.

It doesn't take more than a couple of seconds of Googling to find plenty of examples. Perhaps you should try?
You can find an example of anything on Google. That in no way supports the general smear you put out in your first post.

If Obama was white, no one would be calling him an Arab.
If Obama had been born and raised in Indiana, no one would have been calling him an Arab either. But hey, go ask Hillary where she got the pic of Obama in Muslim garb and question her racial attitude. It was, after all, her racist husband Bill who made the racist remark about Obama fetching them coffee.

We've had Democratic Presidents before. But it's only been in the last 8 years that the Republican Party has completely lost its mind. And, again, they nominated Donald Trump.
Then you clearly aren't old enough to remember the 90's.
 
Why would they? That point makes zero sense. The suspicions of Obamas background existed because his background wasn't immediately clear. Plus the charges of him being a Muslim first came up during the PRIMARY, by democrats.
:lol:

You have literally just made my point for me. And your red herring about Democrats doesn't change the nearly decade long attacks from Republicans, which is the point. Don't start playing partisan games now.

You can find an example of anything on Google.
You can find direct words from voters and politicians. You refusing to look suggests to me you know I'm right.

If Obama had been born and raised in Indiana, no one would have been calling him an Arab either.
Obama was born in born and raised in Hawaii. Why is Indiana better than Hawaii?

You're making my point. Outside of a few years when he was a small child, Obama has lived and been raised in the United States his whole life. He was born in Hawaii, went to school in Hawaii and went to college in Los Angeles, New York and Cambridge. He then moved to Chicago. There's nothing which isn't clear there.

What's the old expression? There are none so blind as those who will not see.

But hey, go ask Hillary where she got the pic of Obama in Muslim garb and question her racial attitude. It was, after all, her racist husband Bill who made the racist remark about Obama fetching them coffee.
Once more, you're trying to engage in red herrings. It doesn't matter if the Clintons are racist or not, we're talking about Republicans.

Then you clearly aren't old enough to remember the 90's.
I'm sorry, did they nominate Donald Trump in the 90s? No?
 
You have to understand that 29% of voters still actually believe that GWB was a good President. So Hillary can write off those 29% off the bat. The bigger question is where Trump is getting his other 10%

Sanders supporters too pissed off to care about Trump's dangers, or who have given up completely. (Probably some independents and libertarians, too - although I can't see how a libertarian in his right mind would agree on Trump with much of anything...)
 
Sanders supporters too pissed off to care about Trump's dangers, or who have given up completely. (Probably some independents and libertarians, too - although I can't see how a libertarian in his right mind would agree on Trump with much of anything...)

A lot of people who have adopted the "libertarian" label recently, aren't real Libertarians. They are Republicans who are too ashamed to admit that they are Republicans.
 
A lot of people who have adopted the "libertarian" label recently, aren't real Libertarians. They are Republicans who are too ashamed to admit that they are Republicans.

I guess that would slightly define me, except in my case it is the Democrats in place of Republicans.
 
I guess that would slightly define me, except in my case it is the Democrats in place of Republicans.

LOL....interesting. I haven't really met any ex-Democrat born again Libertarians. Most Democrats I know that no longer identify has Democrats identify with the green party.
 
Several people, while admitting that Hillary won the debate, took issue with my claim that she won in a landslide. Turns out.......she did. According to this new ABC news poll as well as other polls that have come out in the last few days, the percentage of people who say that Hillary won the debate by near record numbers. Trump took a trouncing by the numbers....and yes.....it was a landslide.

Clinton Trounces Trump in Debate Reactions; Trump's Unfavorability Edges Up (POLL) - ABC News

Americans see Hillary Clinton as the winner of the first presidential debate by a near-record margin in ABC News/Washington Post post-debate polls, with nearly half saying Donald Trump got his facts wrong and one in three saying he outright lied.

No offense, I remember the 1st Obama/Romney debate where Obama clearly lost, yet many in the media and progressives everywhere tried to spin it into an Obama win. I've found that with the modern left, they rarely admit When they are politically or ideologically wrong, and they aren't going to say that democrats did anything other than win.

BTW, do you happen to be the person who started the thread that claimed that Obama is the best or one of the best presidents ever? Or did you happen to agree with it?

Big shocker that an ultra biased media outlet or 3 would claim that Hillary won huge! These are the same people who invent anti-republican scandals every election, while covering up Hillary's long history of mistreating and verbally abusing her underlings and secret service personnel.
 
No offense, I remember the 1st Obama/Romney debate where Obama clearly lost, yet many in the media and progressives everywhere tried to spin it into an Obama win. I've found that with the modern left, they rarely admit When they are politically or ideologically wrong, and they aren't going to say that democrats did anything other than win.

BTW, do you happen to be the person who started the thread that claimed that Obama is the best or one of the best presidents ever? Or did you happen to agree with it?

Big shocker that an ultra biased media outlet or 3 would claim that Hillary won huge! These are the same people who invent anti-republican scandals every election, while covering up Hillary's long history of mistreating and verbally abusing her underlings and secret service personnel.

No they didn't. Every left-wing liberal I know admitted that Obama came out flat and were angry with Obama for opening the door and allowing Romney back into the race.

As answer to your question, no I did not start the thread that you mentioned. I don't think i would say that Obama is the best President ever. I would say that he is better than average and has done a great job with what he was handed when he came in. However, I would fault him for missing too many opportunities and trying too hard for too long to try to appease Republicans when they made it clear from day 1 that they were going to oppose anything he did, even if it were their own ideas.

Oh....and BTW....it isn't just media outlets that said Hillary won by a landslide. Just take a look at every scientific poll out there. The people of America said that Hilary won in a landslide...just as she will this election.
 
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