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Lester was a schill last night, as usual

Conservative said:
Just as I thought, another entitlement liberal who doesn't give a damn about the country but only their own self serving interests which describes Hillary to a tee. it really is a shame that so many people ignore the incompetence and buy the rhetoric.
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Have a super day!!
 
Conservative said:
You have been indoctrinated well like most liberals. You are no conservative. Anything you disagree with is talking points in your world. Name for us one Hillary conservative principle
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Please have a great day !!
 
blackjack50 said:
Without reading further I can tell you the liberal defense will be "just mad he lost" followed by lame excuses why less would ask these questions.


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Spread the word, Trump is a menace, I have already converted several on the fence voters to the Trump menace.

Anyone but Trump
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066368822 said:
Not in the same sentence but in the same part of the debate Trump said he would reduce corporate taxes, which is the motivation businesses would need to return to the USA. He also stated that those who had left will have their goods heavily taxed upon entering the country. That, based on his statements, was their motivation to return.
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Glad to know Trump hates America, and values the almighty $ more than emoloying American workers, best we find out now before election day.
 
Cable said:
Funny, there is far more evidence of budding fascism in the Progressive camp than just about anywhere else you look.
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Please present that evidence.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066368822 said:
Not in the same sentence but in the same part of the debate Trump said he would reduce corporate taxes, which is the motivation businesses would need to return to the USA. He also stated that those who had left will have their goods heavily taxed upon entering the country. That, based on his statements, was their motivation to return.
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In addition to my earlier reply to you, please read this

The Trump trade scam | Economic Policy Institute

It is from somebody Trump has used in his economic policy speeches - one Lawrence Mishel, President of the Economic Policy Institute. While he is glad to see Trump on board turning against trade deals, he openly says his solution for it is a SCAM... not just wrong .... not just misdirected .... not just badly conceived .... but an outright SCAM.

Yesterday, presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump gave a speech on trade, extensively citing EPI’s research which shows that trade deficits as a result of NAFTA and other trade deals, as well as trade with China, have cost U.S. jobs and driven down U.S. wages. It’s true that the way we have undertaken globalization has hurt the vast majority of working people in this country—a view that EPI has been articulating for years, and that we will continue to articulate well after November. However, Trump’s speech makes it seem as if globalization is solely responsible for wage suppression, and that elite Democrats are solely responsible for globalization. Missing from his tale is the role of corporations and their allies have played in pushing this agenda, and the role the party he leads has played in implementing it. After all, NAFTA never would have passed without GOP votes, as two-thirds of the House Democrats opposed it.

Furthermore, Trump has heretofore ignored the many other intentional policies that businesses and the top 1 percent have pushed to suppress wages over the last four decades. Start with excessive unemployment due to Federal Reserve Board policies which were antagonistic to wage growth and friendly to the finance sector and bondholders. Excessive unemployment leads to less wage growth, especially for low- and middle-wage workers. Add in government austerity at the federal and state levels—which has mostly been pushed by GOP governors and legislatures—that has impeded the recovery and stunted wage growth. There’s also the decimation of collective bargaining, which is the single largest reason that middle class wages have faltered. Meanwhile, the minimum wage is now more than 25 percent below its 1968 level, even though productivity since then has more than doubled. Phasing in a $15 minimum wage would lift wages for at least a third of the workforce. The most recent example is the effort to overturn the recent raising of the overtime threshold that would help more than 12 million middle-wage salaried workers obtain overtime protections.


Trump is absent or wrong on all these issues. He has said in the past that wages are too high. And he argues, without basis, that businesses are overregulated and overtaxed—further ingratiating himself to corporate elites and the party he now leads. Deregulation and tax cuts are have been tried and failed for the last four decades, simply enriching the rich without stimulating any growth.

Trump’s latest take on trade is a scam. He claims to be offering a path for workers, but is actually just offering mostly empty boxes on trade. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with renegotiated trade deals? And if is he so keen to help working people, why does he then steer the discussion back toward the traditional corporate agenda of tax cuts for corporations and the rich? Some pro-worker, anti-elite populist Trump is.
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He appeared on Chris Hays on MSNBC tonight and said it again and elaborated on the idea that corporate tax rates have nothing to do with bringing jobs back to America. Nothing.

Please read it.
 
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haymarket said:
Congratulations for your labors worthy of a gymnast. You connected two sentences on two different pages in answering two different questions that apparently you thought were connected but the candidate himself did not.

Of course, he he himself had tried to say that it would have opened himself up the very real question of just what level would you have to reduce these corporate taxes to counter wage level perhaps ten times higher in the states and if that was even possible to ever achieve other than some theoretical pipe dream that makes no real sense once it is properly examined.

And that would have shown just what a incredible unworkable suggestion that is.
But you did try which is more than Trump did.
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As usual, you're quibbling over nothing. Minutia...
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066369366 said:
As usual, you're quibbling over nothing. Minutia...
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If you consider a political candidate who might be our future President engaged in systematic and serial lying about what he is capable to do as a way of getting power as something trivial - that is on you. I happen to think it is a serious matter.

What happens when Trump uses blue collar discontent to ride into the White House and then cannot do a damn thing about bringing those jobs back to the USA? What happens to all that discontent and the voters who expressed it by voting for a charlatan? What damage does that then do to the body politic and the health of our political processes and institutions?

These are serious matters and are far from minutia.
 
haymarket said:
If you consider a political candidate who might be our future President engaged in systematic and serial lying about what he is capable to do as a way of getting power as something trivial - that is on you. I happen to think it is a serious matter.

What happens when Trump uses blue collar discontent to ride into the White House and then cannot do a damn thing about bringing those jobs back to the USA? What happens to all that discontent and the voters who expressed it by voting for a charlatan? What damage does that then do to the body politic and the health of our political processes and institutions?

These are serious matters and are far from minutia.
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Well...we've seen similar stuff since Obama rode into the White House. Our world, though not in as good a place as it should be, isn't ended, is it?

But then, a lot of people who support Obama trivialize his effects on our country and a lot of other people talk doomsday...as you do about Trump.

Same story...different day...life goes on...
 
Mycroft said:
Well...we've seen similar stuff since Obama rode into the White House. Our world, though not in as good a place as it should be, isn't ended, is it?

But then, a lot of people who support Obama trivialize his effects on our country and a lot of other people talk doomsday...as you do about Trump.

Same story...different day...life goes on...
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You counter with a solid point. I and many other people thought Obama was one thing and we put our hopes into his election and many of us have been disappointed with the results. That is undeniable and you would be correct.

I for one was taken in about his supposed fascination with FDR and the 100 Days of his first administration and expected something similar since he had big majorities in both Houses of Congress as Democratic. And he literally wasted all that for a watered down health care bill and precious little else of substance.

And no doubt some African Americans invested even more hope in Obama and while they have pride in him - many are less than joyous about his either years and the continued status of problems in their community.

So your point is taken and accepted as valid.

And the new have Trump. A candidate so divisive that normal Republicans cannot endorse him and newspapers who are solid in the GOP column are abandoning him. We have a man who is coarse, who is crude, who uses a national debate to talk about his penis size, who is a mysoginist, a racist, a demagogue, a xenophobe and who has strong authoritarian tendencies that scare many people into fearing a fascist turn in this great country under his leadership.

I come from a blue collar background and I know the hard working Polish and Italian and Finnish and German and other nationalities who find appeal in his anti-trade and anti-globalism rhetoric. I find appeal in that myself. But I look at his solutions - a sketchy as they are - and I see no connection wit actual ways to solve this problem.

Trump lures ethnic blue collar voters in with his claim to bring jobs back but his only solution to do that is far more about preventing US companies from leaving than it ever is to bring jobs back. And his solution has been branded as SCAM by Lawrence Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute - an organization that Trump himself has used their research and data on trade and globalism. Michel says while he enjoys Trumps embracing of his long standing positions that globalism and trade hurts more American workers than it helps - the Trump solutions of lower corporate tax rates and deregulation are a SCAM.

Yes - I am disappointed in Obama that I did not get FDR and a second 100 Days of Progressive legislation. Maybe that makes me the dupe in believing that in the first place as it was never promised and its my fault for hoping on that star. But in response, I sit in my comfortable suburban home and enjoy a great life just the same.

What happens to these blue collar discontents when they find out President Trump is afraid and used them and cannot bring their jobs back and is going to use his power for the usual GOP Wall Street ass kissing sessions that GOP think tanks simply adore?

I think they might not sit in the comfortable homes as I do and simply post here to vent their frustrations.

I am not saying they will riot or its American Revolution Part II - but can our fragile democratic republic stand any more fracturing of faith in our system?

And I see Trump with a damn sledge hammer causing those fractures.
 
haymarket said:
You counter with a solid point. I and many other people thought Obama was one thing and we put our hopes into his election and many of us have been disappointed with the results. That is undeniable and you would be correct.

I for one was taken in about his supposed fascination with FDR and the 100 Days of his first administration and expected something similar since he had big majorities in both Houses of Congress as Democratic. And he literally wasted all that for a watered down health care bill and precious little else of substance.

And no doubt some African Americans invested even more hope in Obama and while they have pride in him - many are less than joyous about his either years and the continued status of problems in their community.

So your point is taken and accepted as valid.

And the new have Trump. A candidate so divisive that normal Republicans cannot endorse him and newspapers who are solid in the GOP column are abandoning him. We have a man who is coarse, who is crude, who uses a national debate to talk about his penis size, who is a mysoginist, a racist, a demagogue, a xenophobe and who has strong authoritarian tendencies that scare many people into fearing a fascist turn in this great country under his leadership.

I come from a blue collar background and I know the hard working Polish and Italian and Finnish and German and other nationalities who find appeal in his anti-trade and anti-globalism rhetoric. I find appeal in that myself. But I look at his solutions - a sketchy as they are - and I see no connection wit actual ways to solve this problem.

Trump lures ethnic blue collar voters in with his claim to bring jobs back but his only solution to do that is far more about preventing US companies from leaving than it ever is to bring jobs back. And his solution has been branded as SCAM by Lawrence Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute - an organization that Trump himself has used their research and data on trade and globalism. Michel says while he enjoys Trumps embracing of his long standing positions that globalism and trade hurts more American workers than it helps - the Trump solutions of lower corporate tax rates and deregulation are a SCAM.

Yes - I am disappointed in Obama that I did not get FDR and a second 100 Days of Progressive legislation. Maybe that makes me the dupe in believing that in the first place as it was never promised and its my fault for hoping on that star. But in response, I sit in my comfortable suburban home and enjoy a great life just the same.

What happens to these blue collar discontents when they find out President Trump is afraid and used them and cannot bring their jobs back and is going to use his power for the usual GOP Wall Street ass kissing sessions that GOP think tanks simply adore?

I think they might not sit in the comfortable homes as I do and simply post here to vent their frustrations.

I am not saying they will riot or its American Revolution Part II - but can our fragile democratic republic stand any more fracturing of faith in our system?

And I see Trump with a damn sledge hammer causing those fractures.
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Trump is a Nationalist like teddy roosevelt and many republicans are globalists who do NOT conserve the future for americans .. these are against trump also.... same as they were against teddy roosevelt .. that made america make the great progress with stopping monopolies and globalists
 
SailaWay said:
Trump is a Nationalist like teddy roosevelt and many republicans are globalists who do NOT conserve the future for americans .. these are against trump also.... same as they were against teddy roosevelt .. that made america make the great progress with stopping monopolies and globalists
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The only thing Trump has in common with Teddy Roosevelt in the intake of food and the expelling of it as waste. Beyond that, it is an insult to a great former President to dare to compare Trump to him.
 
yankintx said:
Glad to know Trump hates America, and values the almighty $ more than emoloying American workers, best we find out now before election day.
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I am waiting for your explanation as to why your "Brothers in Arms" support Trump? Also waiting exactly for what it is that Hillary has done that warrants your vote? If you can find nothing then voting AGAINST Trump will mean just staying home. Then you can whine and complain about the outcome when he elected
 
haymarket said:
The only thing Trump has in common with Teddy Roosevelt in the intake of food and the expelling of it as waste. Beyond that, it is an insult to a great former President to dare to compare Trump to him.
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your hatred for Trump has blinded you from the incompetence of Hillary Clinton. Her habitual lying, telling you what you want to hear but ignoring her record is exactly what the left wants and has done well in marketing to people like you
 
Conservative said:
your hatred for Trump has blinded you from the incompetence of Hillary Clinton. Her habitual lying, telling you what you want to hear but ignoring her record is exactly what the left wants and has done well in marketing to people like you
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My opinion of Trump is based on fact and knowledge and experience. It is the opposite of blinding as my eyes are wide open and seeing this man for what he truly is - the single greatest domestic threat to America and the American people that we have seen in at least a century.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Clinton was interrupted 40 times in the first half-hour, 25 by Trump, and 15 by the "shill" So much for equity.
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Oh boohoo, how about we talk about what really matters. The fact that Holt didn't hunt Hillary down during the debate like he did Trump; I don't see you showing any equity there. Holt followed up a million times on everything Trump said, and zero on Hillary. She had an awesome night. Too bad the media doesn't treat Hillary like they do Trump, in general. If that happened, she wouldn't even be the nominee, it would have been Sanders. The whole year has been like Holt. Holt is just more of the same.
 
haymarket said:
My opinion of Trump is based on fact and knowledge and experience. It is the opposite of blinding as my eyes are wide open and seeing this man for what he truly is - the single greatest domestic threat to America and the American people that we have seen in at least a century.
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So tell me exactly what Trump has DONE that is factual causing you to support Clinton? You see what you want to believe about Trump but ignore what Hillary has done. How is Trump a domestic threat by controlling the borders and supporting our police? The fact that you believe he is a threat tells me a lot about your liberal ideology that has created open borders and the true security problems in this country
 
haymarket said:
You counter with a solid point. I and many other people thought Obama was one thing and we put our hopes into his election and many of us have been disappointed with the results. That is undeniable and you would be correct.

I for one was taken in about his supposed fascination with FDR and the 100 Days of his first administration and expected something similar since he had big majorities in both Houses of Congress as Democratic. And he literally wasted all that for a watered down health care bill and precious little else of substance.

And no doubt some African Americans invested even more hope in Obama and while they have pride in him - many are less than joyous about his either years and the continued status of problems in their community.

So your point is taken and accepted as valid.

And the new have Trump. A candidate so divisive that normal Republicans cannot endorse him and newspapers who are solid in the GOP column are abandoning him. We have a man who is coarse, who is crude, who uses a national debate to talk about his penis size, who is a mysoginist, a racist, a demagogue, a xenophobe and who has strong authoritarian tendencies that scare many people into fearing a fascist turn in this great country under his leadership.

I come from a blue collar background and I know the hard working Polish and Italian and Finnish and German and other nationalities who find appeal in his anti-trade and anti-globalism rhetoric. I find appeal in that myself. But I look at his solutions - a sketchy as they are - and I see no connection wit actual ways to solve this problem.

Trump lures ethnic blue collar voters in with his claim to bring jobs back but his only solution to do that is far more about preventing US companies from leaving than it ever is to bring jobs back. And his solution has been branded as SCAM by Lawrence Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute - an organization that Trump himself has used their research and data on trade and globalism. Michel says while he enjoys Trumps embracing of his long standing positions that globalism and trade hurts more American workers than it helps - the Trump solutions of lower corporate tax rates and deregulation are a SCAM.

Yes - I am disappointed in Obama that I did not get FDR and a second 100 Days of Progressive legislation. Maybe that makes me the dupe in believing that in the first place as it was never promised and its my fault for hoping on that star. But in response, I sit in my comfortable suburban home and enjoy a great life just the same.

What happens to these blue collar discontents when they find out President Trump is afraid and used them and cannot bring their jobs back and is going to use his power for the usual GOP Wall Street ass kissing sessions that GOP think tanks simply adore?

I think they might not sit in the comfortable homes as I do and simply post here to vent their frustrations.

I am not saying they will riot or its American Revolution Part II - but can our fragile democratic republic stand any more fracturing of faith in our system?

And I see Trump with a damn sledge hammer causing those fractures.
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Actually, my main point went WHOOSH...right over your head.

"Our world, though not in as good a place as it should be, isn't ended, is it?"

In any case we know what kind of damage Obama did. We know what kind of damage Hillary will do. We don't know if Trump will do any damage at all...though you irrationally fear him more than Hillary. Trump is the lesser of evils and if he turns out to NOT be our savior, he won't be as bad as Obama was or as bad as Hillary will be.

And the world won't end.
 
Cable said:
It won't help you. If you wanted to see it you could find it all over the web. You don't want to see it.
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You don't have it to present. That is obvious by your reply.
 
Conservative said:
So tell me exactly what Trump has DONE that is factual causing you to support Clinton? You see what you want to believe about Trump but ignore what Hillary has done. How is Trump a domestic threat by controlling the borders and supporting our police? The fact that you believe he is a threat tells me a lot about your liberal ideology that has created open borders and the true security problems in this country
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What about my previous posts about Trump so confuses and befuddles you since I explained it all in great detail.
 
Mycroft said:
Actually, my main point went WHOOSH...right over your head.

"Our world, though not in as good a place as it should be, isn't ended, is it?"

In any case we know what kind of damage Obama did. We know what kind of damage Hillary will do. We don't know if Trump will do any damage at all...though you irrationally fear him more than Hillary. Trump is the lesser of evils and if he turns out to NOT be our savior, he won't be as bad as Obama was or as bad as Hillary will be.

And the world won't end.
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So much for trying to reach out to you and find some common ground.
 
American said:
Oh boohoo, how about we talk about what really matters. The fact that Holt didn't hunt Hillary down during the debate like he did Trump; I don't see you showing any equity there. Holt followed up a million times on everything Trump said, and zero on Hillary. She had an awesome night. Too bad the media doesn't treat Hillary like they do Trump, in general. If that happened, she wouldn't even be the nominee, it would have been Sanders. The whole year has been like Holt. Holt is just more of the same.
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You were obviously watching the paranoid Trumpster edit of the proceedings, as did the OP. Trump gave cause for intervention to try to keep him on topic and focused.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You were obviously watching the paranoid Trumpster edit of the proceedings, as did the OP. Trump gave cause for intervention to try to keep him on topic and focused.
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I watched the actual debate, thank you. You probably put cotton in your ears and a bag over your head during the debate, for plausible deniability sake.
 
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