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Lester was a schill last night, as usual

haymarket said:
Of course there is political division. There almost always is.

The division I am talking about is the bad old days of the late Sixties on steroids. It will be like George Wallace won in 68 bringing his nightmare scenario to the nation.

Thats division times ten compared to Clinton or Obama or Bush or anybody else in the mainstream.
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that defies logic and common sense buying into the leftwing marketing strategy. Trump isn't going to do anything to hurt the private sector. What nightmare is Congress going to allow?
 
haymarket said:
Of course there is political division. There almost always is.

The division I am talking about is the bad old days of the late Sixties on steroids. It will be like George Wallace won in 68 bringing his nightmare scenario to the nation.

Thats division times ten compared to Clinton or Obama or Bush or anybody else in the mainstream.
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You have a fevered imagination. Is it always like this for you? Fortunately, I have a solution. Place your feet in a warm tub of concrete and let 'em soak overnight. You won't be nearly so worried about Trump.
 
Conservative said:
Basic civics seems to be a problem with the left
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Having taught Civics and Government for 33 years - I have no problem with it. I have also debated in college and can see when somebody offers no refutation for what it stated to them and only lowers themselves to personal attacks and jibes.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Clinton was interrupted 40 times in the first half-hour, 25 by Trump, and 15 by the "shill" So much for equity.
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Why no questions on the clinton foundation? No questions on the e-mail server? You thought that was a fair debate? how many times did lester interrupt trump?

You conveniently leftt that fact out.
 
Conservative said:
that defies logic and common sense buying into the leftwing marketing strategy. Trump isn't going to do anything to hurt the private sector. What nightmare is Congress going to allow?
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The private sector? I have little doubt that Trump will be a willing lapdog to big corporations and serve them well. As for the rest of the private sector such as small business and the American people - its going to be bad.

The nightmare from Congress will be going along with hefty tax cuts on the rich, on corporations, deregulating them even more, failing to curb Wall Street vices, and generally doing these to endanger the whole US economy and the American people all in the name of the usual right wing holy grails which serve only a small number of wealthy people.
 
humbolt said:
You have a fevered imagination. Is it always like this for you? Fortunately, I have a solution. Place your feet in a warm tub of concrete and let 'em soak overnight. You won't be nearly so worried about Trump.
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As a patriot who loves America and the American people - I have a right to be concerned when I see a possible fascist megalomaniac on the horizon and too many idiots greasing the skids too make it all possible for him.

Insults are a very poor substitute for actual refutation in debate. You should really stop that sort of thing.
 
haymarket said:
Having taught Civics and Government for 33 years - I have no problem with it. I have also debated in college and can see when somebody offers no refutation for what it stated to them and only lowers themselves to personal attacks and jibes.
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If you have taught basic civics then you know we have three equal branches of govt. so please tell me what Trump can do without the support of Congress that bothers you? You seem to buy the leftwing spin on Trump ignoring that Trump isn't beholden to anyone in DC and is the only chance we have for any significant change. Doing what we always have done and expecting different results is Einstein's definition of insanity and that is Hillary
 
haymarket said:
As a patriot who loves America and the American people - I have a right to be concerned when I see a possible fascist megalomaniac on the horizon and too many idiots greasing the skids too make it all possible for him.
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Interesting that you would call this out. It's further interesting that you'd believe that Hillary's deception offered to the American people is somehow is that she somehow "loves America and the American people". Something similar to Stockholm syndrome?
haymarket said:
Insults are a very poor substitute for actual refutation in debate. You should really stop that sort of thing.
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haymarket said:
The private sector? I have little doubt that Trump will be a willing lapdog to big corporations and serve them well. As for the rest of the private sector such as small business and the American people - its going to be bad.

The nightmare from Congress will be going along with hefty tax cuts on the rich, on corporations, deregulating them even more, failing to curb Wall Street vices, and generally doing these to endanger the whole US economy and the American people all in the name of the usual right wing holy grails which serve only a small number of wealthy people.
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i know this escapes you but big corporations hire people and aren't doing a very good job of that right now, further Big Corporations don't employ the majority in this country nd it is the small businesses being hurt. How is Trump policies going to hurt small businesses? Your focus on help for the big corporations is leftwing marketing.

Here we go again, hefty tax cuts for the rich. Do you realize that tax cuts mean people KEEPING MORE OF THEIR OWN MONEY? How does tax cuts for the rich affect you and your family? You think Hillary is going to curb Wall Street? LOL, she tells you what you want to hear and you buy it.
 
Cable said:
From my understanding, a political debate is where the mod asks a challenging political platform question and each candidate takes a swing at it. The the folks make their judgements.

Less-ter Holt asked Trump several direct questions last night:

1. When will you release your taxes?
2. Birther
3. Racism
4. Observations of Hillery

These aren't things Hillery could be provided equal response on, except maybe to pile on with Lester. But isn't it awesome that the liberal media is so stupid as to think the People won't notice this serious bias?
What Less-ter, no Benghazi? No Clinton Foundation? No lying to the Feds? No deleting email? No Bernie Sanders scandal-ism? No hard ball for Clinton at all? She was in her power suit Less. She can handle it.

Why aren't you 50 points ahead Hillery? Because the people are sick of your over-polished BS, and the sycophant media.

And that red power pants suit. Awesome. It just screamed "please don't think I'm weak"
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:spin:
 
haymarket said:
I agree that a Clinton vote is not a vote for change. The problem with a Trump vote is that the change could well put us on the path to increased divisions which could destroy America and do great damage to large numbers of the American people.
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Being a change agent is sure to be attacked from all sides who want the status quo to remain in place.
 
haymarket said:
As a patriot who loves America and the American people - I have a right to be concerned when I see a possible fascist megalomaniac on the horizon and too many idiots greasing the skids too make it all possible for him.

Insults are a very poor substitute for actual refutation in debate.
You should really stop that sort of thing.
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You should stop with the "could happen" fear mongering and admit you don't know what could happen. The number of things that could happen is literally infinite, and not a topic for debate. Some things are far more likely to happen than the ephemeris realm you allude to. Try sticking to them if you'd like a debate.
 
I didn't watch the debate last night - I can't stomach either of the candidates for a couple of minutes let alone 90 - so I won't comment on the content, the moderator, or who won/lost. All I'll note is that the American people are very poorly served by their national media. All I've seen this morning regarding the debate are media reports on Trump's taxes, Trump's sinuses, Clinton's e-mails, etc. None of which is really important to the American people going forward and in choosing their next President. For those who didn't watch, they will learn precious little from the media recaps about where each stands on the important issues of the day and many won't watch subsequent debates because it appears, from media reports, the first debate was nothing but a bitch session about how either or both aren't fit to be President.

I don't know how, but you should be demanding more of your media and their role in the political process.
 
Conservative said:
If you have taught basic civics then you know we have three equal branches of govt. so please tell me what Trump can do without the support of Congress that bothers you? You seem to buy the leftwing spin on Trump ignoring that Trump isn't beholden to anyone in DC and is the only chance we have for any significant change. Doing what we always have done and expecting different results is Einstein's definition of insanity and that is Hillary
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If Trump wins - he gets the support of the Republicans in congress. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

If Trump wins - he gets to reform upcoming vacancies on the Supreme Court and a GOP Senate will approve his picks. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

So we truly are screwed.
 
eohrnberger said:
Interesting that you would call this out. It's further interesting that you'd believe that Hillary's deception offered to the American people is somehow is that she somehow "loves America and the American people". Something similar to Stockholm syndrome?
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You are making crap up as I never said a word about Clinton professing any love for America or the American people.
 
haymarket said:
If Trump wins - he gets the support of the Republicans in congress. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

If Trump wins - he gets to reform upcoming vacancies on the Supreme Court and a GOP Senate will approve his picks. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

So we truly are screwed.
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Well...good thing he is an idiot and probably will not win. Also, thank god that the R were so dumb as to nominate an idiot instead of someone sane like Kasich, who would today be ahead of Hillary by 15 points or more. It's obvious the majority of voters would love to vote for anyone but her---the only good thing is that Trump is not quite anyone. And, after last night, most voters will now know that he is not qualified to be dog catcher, yet alone president.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I didn't watch the debate last night - I can't stomach either of the candidates for a couple of minutes let alone 90 - so I won't comment on the content, the moderator, or who won/lost. All I'll note is that the American people are very poorly served by their national media. All I've seen this morning regarding the debate are media reports on Trump's taxes, Trump's sinuses, Clinton's e-mails, etc. None of which is really important to the American people going forward and in choosing their next President. For those who didn't watch, they will learn precious little from the media recaps about where each stands on the important issues of the day and many won't watch subsequent debates because it appears, from media reports, the first debate was nothing but a bitch session about how either or both aren't fit to be President.

I don't know how, but you should be demanding more of your media and their role in the political process.
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The only counterpoint I have with that statement is that the debate provided little by way of substance to begin with. Trump did what he did during the primary: starving the stage of anything resembling policy.

The difference, so far, is that Trump isn't seen as great for doing that.
 
Conservative said:
i know this escapes you but big corporations hire people and aren't doing a very good job of that right now, further Big Corporations don't employ the majority in this country nd it is the small businesses being hurt. How is Trump policies going to hurt small businesses? Your focus on help for the big corporations is leftwing marketing.

Here we go again, hefty tax cuts for the rich. Do you realize that tax cuts mean people KEEPING MORE OF THEIR OWN MONEY? How does tax cuts for the rich affect you and your family? You think Hillary is going to curb Wall Street? LOL, she tells you what you want to hear and you buy it.
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We have a 19trillion dollar debt. Can you tell me how we realistically pay this without raising taxes on the people with the most money to pay increases?
 
eohrnberger said:
Being a change agent is sure to be attacked from all sides who want the status quo to remain in place.
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Having your arms chopped off is a change and I guess you could call the guy who does it a change agent. I would prefer the status quo of both my arms thank you.
 
haymarket said:
If Trump wins - he gets the support of the Republicans in congress. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

If Trump wins - he gets to reform upcoming vacancies on the Supreme Court and a GOP Senate will approve his picks. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

So we truly are screwed.
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I don't think the entitlement crowd will ever support a Republican and if you think Hillary is going to make things better you sadly ignore her public record.
 
humbolt said:
You should stop with the "could happen" fear mongering and admit you don't know what could happen. The number of things that could happen is literally infinite, and not a topic for debate. Some things are far more likely to happen than the ephemeris realm you allude to. Try sticking to them if you'd like a debate.
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Actually the effects of policies are very much a subject of debate. Especially when those policies are based on hyper nationalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism and sowing division as so many of Trumps are.
 
haymarket said:
We have a 19trillion dollar debt. Can you tell me how we realistically pay this without raising taxes on the people with the most money to pay increases?
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By cutting spending and growing the economy, you cannot raise taxes enough to pay off the debt. SS and Medicare expenses and tax revenue should be pulled out of the budget, the Federal Govt. should operate on Defense, VA, Interest on the debt, and enough to run the Judiciary thus down to about 1.2 trillion a year. Congress should return to the states where they live under the laws they pass like they do in TX.

People with the most money cannot fund the liberal social spending appetite nor will they generate enough tax revenue to run the current govt. but for a few days
 
haymarket said:
If Trump wins - he gets the support of the Republicans in congress. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

If Trump wins - he gets to reform upcoming vacancies on the Supreme Court and a GOP Senate will approve his picks. So check off that branch as any true check and balance.

So we truly are screwed.
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Interesting. And here I heard towards the beginning of all this hoopla that Trump would never win the primaries because too many Republicans, including Republican politicians, were all against Trump. And while that was going on it was claimed that no republican politician would support any of his policies. Now all of a sudden all Republicans are 100% supporting Trump and he'll get all of his policies through?

And here's a curiosity. You state this about Trump...but what about Hillary? Won't the same apply to her if she wins and the Democrats take over the House and Senate? Oh wait...nvm...its perfectly OK for her huh?
 
Conservative said:
I don't think the entitlement crowd will ever support a Republican and if you think Hillary is going to make things better you sadly ignore her public record.
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Again - I never said a word about Clinton making things better.
 
haymarket said:
We have a 19trillion dollar debt. Can you tell me how we realistically pay this without raising taxes on the people with the most money to pay increases?
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each candidate's tax plan has been scored

tRump's trickle down tax cut proposal would add to the national debt a full quantum more than hillary's
 
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