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NYT editorial:By refusing to release returns, Trump "is disqualifying himself as.....

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Rico Suave said:
It is to reasonable people.
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You do understand the difference between disqualifying and I'm not gonna vote for Trump, do you not?
 
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TheGoverness said:
Correct. :thumbs:

You get a Gold Star!
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Please take care in the future not to change the text of my posts.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Not really. My argument is basically that what is important here is legality. Is he legally obligated? No, he isn't.
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Again, that wasn't the argument presented in the editorial, yer introducing a non-sequitur.
Which just goes to show how arguing from a "moral obligation" standpoint is pretty much useless, IMO.
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On the contrary, the morality of the candidate as revealed by the release of returns is a significant argument made in the editorial, if you had read it.

If it becomes a legal obligation to do so, then fine.
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This again, is not an argument made, it is just an extended non-sequitur.
 
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jimbo said:
You do understand the difference between disqualifying and I'm not gonna vote for Trump, do you not?
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They are the same thing.

Say for example he raped a person and spent time in jail. Election disqualifier............
 
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Rico Suave said:
They are the same thing.

Say for example he raped a person and spent time in jail. Election disqualifier............
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That's what I thought.

Raped someone and spent time in jail? A reason to not vote for him. Not a disqualifier.
 
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Rico Suave said:
They are the same thing.

Say for example he raped a person and spent time in jail. Election disqualifier............
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Shouldn't it depend on whom the opposition was? If his opposition was ONE of those dictators who slaughtered people and raped women, and ate children then the person who only raped a person once is still the better choice all things considered.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Again, that wasn't the argument presented in the editorial, yer introducing a non-sequitur. On the contrary, the morality of the candidate as revealed by the release of returns is a significant argument made in the editorial, if you had read it.
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The article said that Trump is disqualifying himself as a candidate by not releasing his tax returns.

It's not disqualifying. And because it's not, that essentially makes their entire argument bunk.
 
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TheGoverness said:
The article said the it's "disqualifies Trump as a candidate".

It's not disqualifying. That really makes their entire argument bunk.
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For the editorialist, and myself, it does.

Just because you don't agree, that does not make the argument made invalid.

You have to do better than "I don't agree because I can introduce a straw argument".
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
For the editorialist, and myself, it does.

Just because you don't agree, that does not make the argument made invalid.
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Sorry, but YOU (or the article) believing that it is disqualifying doesn't mean jack.

What matters is reality. The reality is this: it's not disqualifying.

You have to do better than "I don't agree because I can introduce a straw argument".
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No stawmans here, pal.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Has anyone said that there is a law saying he has to release them? Has anyone said that the NY Times can do anything besides report just how he is the most nontransparent candidate to run for office in 40 years?
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Nontransparent? Please. He's still a private citizen till he wins or loses.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
For you, it isn't. Imagine that.

No obligation? Legally, no. Precedent, the fact all since Ford have, and even Nixon (who despite his claims of not being a crook surrounding his delays in showing his returns, was found to have underpaid by millions in 2016 adjusted dollars), then yes, under the obligation of showing US citizens that he is not a crook, he is morally obligated.
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Liberals insisting on doing the 'moral' thing.

LOOK! Up in the sky! It's a flying pig.
 
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WCH said:
Nontransparent? Please. He's still a private citizen till he wins or loses.
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He's running for office. What you said makes no sense.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. It's still a rationalization, an excuse, no matter how much you wish it weren't. There's nothing that's legally preventing him from doing so.
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Only the Left gives a rat's ass. If it were Hillary, The left would have no problem and think of ever excuse for her to not release it.

Trump voters don't likely care.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Sorry, but YOU (or the article) believing that it is disqualifying doesn't mean jack.
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In YOUR opinion, which I can say convincingly, since it is based on non-sequiturs to the argument at hand, has no standing.

What matters is reality. The reality is this: it's not disqualifying.
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The reality for each individual viewing whether a candidate has met certain qualifications....is THEIR OWN. You don't get to tell me that your version of reality is the only valid one.



No stawmans here, pal.
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There you go making absolute argument, I already showed your strawman argument, the one about "legality", the author never made that argument, you don't get to introduce it as a counter.....he never made release a legal requirement.


Yer going in circles.....like a mole.....under the surface.
 
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sookster said:
He has a multi billion dollar corporation, and maybe more than one with his Trump University. He even said in an interview, it costs him 10 of millions of dollars for all the lawyers and accountants to do his taxes.

You sir, have no ****ing idea what you are talking about, and shouldn't say things like that. Yeah, personal taxes are easy. Corporate taxes are NOT. I know this from my professional experience working at a data center. There are literally terms that you do not see with personal taxes compared to business taxes. So to compare personal to business, is like apples and oranges.

I really don't appreciate that.
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Gee Wiz.............no sense of humor............

Life is too short to get all exercised about the little things.......
 
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imyoda said:
NY Times editorial: By refusing to release returns, Trump "is disqualifying himself as a candidate"


IN PART:

“……….All major party nominees for president going back nearly 40 years have released their tax returns except Donald Trump. That leads to a simple question: What is he hiding? ............

………….Mr. Trump has offered nothing but fallacious excuses for keeping his returns secret. Initially, he said he would not release returns until the Internal Revenue Service completed an ongoing audit; the agency said there’s no rule stopping disclosure during an audit. Recently, one of his sons said the returns are so long and complex that people would ask too many questions if they were allowed to see them. None of these claims make sense. ………..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/opinion/mr-trumps-stupid-excuses-on-taxes.html

It would seem the “free ride” of the coverage of Mr. Trump is over….. Given his relentless attacks on the media and the non-challenge style of journalism and continuous lies has ended……

Marking and end that style of reporting the news of the media …….. And a returning to what journalism as once was………….
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What law states that release of tax returns is required to run for POTUS?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
What law states that release of tax returns is required to run for POTUS?
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The imaginary one I just made up. It also says for everyone to give me all of their money, too.
 
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WCH said:
Only the Left gives a rat's ass.
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No, it's not only the left; plenty of people from all sides of the political spectrum want to know if his financial dealings and debt with potential US enemies cause a conflict of interest.
If it were Hillary, The left would have no problem and think of ever excuse for her to not release it.
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Sigh. Hypothesis contrary to fact. Fail.
Trump voters don't likely care.
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Of course they don't. They're suckered enough to want to vote for him; they're clearly not interested in anything rational.
 
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jimbo said:
Requirements to be President:

35 years old - check
Natural born citizen - check
14 year resident - check

Trump is eligible
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You seem to have left out.........

and 270 votes in/from Electoral College........
 
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imyoda said:
NY Times editorial: By refusing to release returns, Trump "is disqualifying himself as a candidate"


IN PART:

“……….All major party nominees for president going back nearly 40 years have released their tax returns except Donald Trump. That leads to a simple question: What is he hiding? ............

………….Mr. Trump has offered nothing but fallacious excuses for keeping his returns secret. Initially, he said he would not release returns until the Internal Revenue Service completed an ongoing audit; the agency said there’s no rule stopping disclosure during an audit. Recently, one of his sons said the returns are so long and complex that people would ask too many questions if they were allowed to see them. None of these claims make sense. ………..

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/opinion/mr-trumps-stupid-excuses-on-taxes.html

It would seem the “free ride” of the coverage of Mr. Trump is over….. Given his relentless attacks on the media and the non-challenge style of journalism and continuous lies has ended……

Marking and end that style of reporting the news of the media …….. And a returning to what journalism as once was………….
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Trump has not refused to release his returns.

The NY Times Editorial Board disqualified itself as a legitimate newspaper and news source long ago, and this latest lie confirms the disqualification.
 
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gdgyva said:
sorry

but there is no LAW that says he has to release them, as much as you guys want him to

and there is absolutely nothing the NY times can do about it other than pout along with the other leftist newspapers in this country
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I would be more interested in seeing transcripts of $250K speeches given to investment bankers or foreign interests. ;)
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
What law states that release of tax returns is required to run for POTUS?
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What is in the water in Texass to cause their citizens on both (supposed) sides of the political spectrum to see a "legal" argument.....when none exists?
 
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