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How Long Would Trump Last?

Ganesh said:
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing Mr P. You might re-read your history, and try again.
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Sorry, I lost my history as written by the DNC. I notice you rebut nothing. Care to try? There is a nifty thing called a citation. You could try one of those.

I was in the service, doing my mandatory time, when President Kennedy got the awesome red phone with a direct line to the Kremlin. The joke in our comm center was the only way to get something to the Kremlin fast than the red phone was to stamp it Top Secret and leave it on a desk in Paris. I suppose now we could stamp it Top Secret and give it to Hillary.

I'll await your history lesson about France's valuable contribution to NATO and how horrible Honduras is. I realize, Honduras isn't beloved by Obama like Venezuela so you can skip that part.
 
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QuadpolarNutjob said:
there's nothing confusing about terrorism, it comes from the middle east and acts in the name of islam. trump would last a full 8 years, and repair all the damage obama has done to america.

trump's going to win in a landslide, the media has come out 100% against him because they know they have to shift public opinion radically to squeak a win for clinton.
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That's funny. Trump might actually have $10 billion after eight years as president. He would repair nothing.
 
coldjoint said:
You mean know how to circumvent the law.
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Oh, and what laws did he circumvent specifically?

Of course Trump will follow the law to the letter, amirite? Like his good friend, the best Secretary of State ever and the really terrific Hillary Clinton does.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh, and what laws did he circumvent specifically?

Of course Trump will follow the law to the letter, amirite? Like his good friend, the best Secretary of State ever and the really terrific Hillary Clinton does.
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The laws about separation of power. And his oath to defend the Constitution. He uses our own laws and traditions against us. Lawfare at its finest.
 
natsb said:
Well don't leave us hanging. In order to be impeached, he needs to commit a high crime or misdemeanor. What crime will he be impeached for?
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Now, how would I know that? It was covered to the extent that I can opine in the last paragraph of the post you quoted.

All I said is, that he would be more likely to be impeached by the US House and convicted and removed from office by the US Senate, then Hillary would be because she would be protected by her partisan allies (as is being done now) and Trump would have all the Democrats and many of the Republicans that would vote to Impeach in the US House and then convict and remove from office in the US Senate. No prediction as to what he would do, just a prediction that he would probably do something, and that he would not have the blind partisan protection that Hillary will continue to have as she has now.
 
coldjoint said:
The laws about separation of power. And his oath to defend the Constitution. He uses our own laws and traditions against us. Lawfare at its finest.
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Separation of power? No. And as far as I know, he defended his oath. Specifically say where he didn't - and don't parrot what Donald Trump has told you to say. Your words.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Now, how would I know that? It was covered to the extent that I can opine in the last paragraph of the post you quoted.

All I said is, that he would be more likely to be impeached by the US House and convicted and removed from office by the US Senate, then Hillary would be because she would be protected by her partisan allies (as is being done now) and Trump would have all the Democrats and many of the Republicans that would vote to Impeach in the US House and then convict and remove from office in the US Senate. No prediction as to what he would do, just a prediction that he would probably do something, and that he would not have the blind partisan protection that Hillary will continue to have as she has now.
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I see. In that case we partially agree. Your prediction concerning the blind partisan protection Hillary would get is absolute. We already have undeniable proof of that to build a case.

I just don't see Trump as the type that would commit any crimes in office. I don't see anything in his history that would act as a predictor. Hillary on the other hand...
 
Ganesh said:
1. Would he go the full four years?

2. There would be a great many people eager to cut him off, or cut him short.

3. And would Trump even want to stay on? He would soon find out that he cannot fire much of anybody of consequence, and there would be many he would be in disagreement and conflict with.
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1. Yes I do think he would last four years.

2. The only problem with this theory of yours is the Obama factor. People literally hated Obama and there could be many reasons for that, but I think we have a love-hate relationship with Trump. IDK if anyone has crazy Trump conspiracies out there except that he would burn the place to the ground. That's nothing compared to what Obama got/had to deal with.

3. Trump has to realize by now that he can't please everyone all the time, but perhaps he doesn't care. :shrug:
 
Ganesh said:
Let's say Trump does the unlikely, and squeaks into power in November. Clinton collapses during a debate, or a new terrorist outrage gets the fear and confusion hormones racing, and that tips the balance. How long would Trump last as president? Would he go the full four years?

There would be a great many people eager to cut him off, or cut him short.

His irresponsible and uniformed notions on diplomacy and international relations could get him into trouble quite fast, and I wouldn't be surprised if some cooler heads in the military contemplated giving him a sharp rap on the knuckles, or perhaps something worse. Asking why America can't just use nuclear weapons, as long as they are sitting there gathering dust, and seeming to not know what the nuclear triad is, are only two reasons of many why those in the defense establishment would be very, very worried, and keep an open eye on the Donald, and maybe even contemplate the unthinkable, common in banana republics, but not in the US.

His ideas of raising tariff walls, and taking punitive measures against trading powers, 1930s style, would likely cause loses to American industry, and cause markets to gyrate in such a way as to be beneficial only to Gravol sales. The Wall St wise guys, used to having influence in Washington, would not be amused, and would have great incentive to undercut the presidency in some way. There are a lot of people with a lot of money to lose in the US, and historically they haven't taken lightly to those that threaten their stash, no matter their rank. At the other end of the spectrum, his tax giveaways to the already affluent would inflame an already unequal society, and cause hardship enough that the peons may appear in the streets, burning torches and enraged sentiments prominent.

Even his own party has a lot to lose. It's already lost a lot, and four years of President Trump could mean the kiss of death for them as a political organization. How many would be pouring over legal precedent to find the ejection seat? I bet some are already at the library, large flask of coffee at hand.

And would Trump even want to stay on? He would soon find out that he cannot fire much of anybody of consequence, and there would be many he would be in disagreement and conflict with.He has- given his behavior to date- given no indication that he has the skills to find consensus, argue his case, and bring people together on difficult matters, or for that matter even express himself in an adult manner. The frustration for him would be enormous.

Trump has found a constituency in which he can make outrageous statements and find only credulous ears, and few questions asked. It would be a totally different ball game in international diplomacy, and in Washington.

How long do you think?
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Of course, he'd last the four years. Barack Obama has lasted eight years and he hates America and cheats at golf. He supports America's enemies, like Iran and Cuba, and screws America's allies, like Great Britain and Israel.

But, if Hillary Clinton collapses before the election then Trump won't be President. The Democrats will run Sen. Ted Kennedy and he'll win in a landslide.
 
coldjoint said:
The laws about separation of power. And his oath to defend the Constitution. He uses our own laws and traditions against us. Lawfare at its finest.
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Genuinely curious how did he violate his oath to uphold the constitution. If true he should be impeached. But not one gop'r alt rightie or tea party type in congress or the senate has called for it.

Weird.
 
Chomsky said:
I very much agree with that I bolded! :thumbs:

I think his Presidential nomination was P.R. stunt, that just happened to really catch-on! :lamo
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I can't think of any other scenario that makes sense.
 
Groogrux said:
I can't think of any other scenario that makes sense.
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That's about the only theory that makes sense to me as well, without relegating our posts to the CT section! :mrgreen:
 
Ganesh said:
Let's say Trump does the unlikely, and squeaks into power in November. Clinton collapses during a debate, or a new terrorist outrage gets the fear and confusion hormones racing, and that tips the balance. How long would Trump last as president? Would he go the full four years?

There would be a great many people eager to cut him off, or cut him short.

His irresponsible and uniformed notions on diplomacy and international relations could get him into trouble quite fast, and I wouldn't be surprised if some cooler heads in the military contemplated giving him a sharp rap on the knuckles, or perhaps something worse. Asking why America can't just use nuclear weapons, as long as they are sitting there gathering dust, and seeming to not know what the nuclear triad is, are only two reasons of many why those in the defense establishment would be very, very worried, and keep an open eye on the Donald, and maybe even contemplate the unthinkable, common in banana republics, but not in the US.

His ideas of raising tariff walls, and taking punitive measures against trading powers, 1930s style, would likely cause loses to American industry, and cause markets to gyrate in such a way as to be beneficial only to Gravol sales. The Wall St wise guys, used to having influence in Washington, would not be amused, and would have great incentive to undercut the presidency in some way. There are a lot of people with a lot of money to lose in the US, and historically they haven't taken lightly to those that threaten their stash, no matter their rank. At the other end of the spectrum, his tax giveaways to the already affluent would inflame an already unequal society, and cause hardship enough that the peons may appear in the streets, burning torches and enraged sentiments prominent.

Even his own party has a lot to lose. It's already lost a lot, and four years of President Trump could mean the kiss of death for them as a political organization. How many would be pouring over legal precedent to find the ejection seat? I bet some are already at the library, large flask of coffee at hand.

And would Trump even want to stay on? He would soon find out that he cannot fire much of anybody of consequence, and there would be many he would be in disagreement and conflict with.He has- given his behavior to date- given no indication that he has the skills to find consensus, argue his case, and bring people together on difficult matters, or for that matter even express himself in an adult manner. The frustration for him would be enormous.

Trump has found a constituency in which he can make outrageous statements and find only credulous ears, and few questions asked. It would be a totally different ball game in international diplomacy, and in Washington.

How long do you think?
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As soon as Trump would be in office he would do something stupid. So add to that how long it takes to legally remove a President and you have your answer.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I'd give him one year tops.
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I have been thinking about this since it first appeared several days ago. I agree with your assessment. One year at max and then the problem is no longer there to bother anyone.
 
Ganesh said:
His irresponsible and uniformed notions on diplomacy and international relations could get him into trouble quite fast,
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I don't think he would be more irresponsible than Hillary slandering the people of Bosnia with an outright lie about them trying to assassinate her. She outright lied and said during her visit that the people of that country attempted to kill as an American leader several times. She should be in prison right now for such false accusations. Of course she should be in prison for a lot of things. I can't see Trump being that arrogant and stupid. I have more fear of Hillary than Trump. She has been proven irresponsible and reckless with classified documents and national security. She has taken money from everyone including leaders of other countries for favorable policies.
 
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