Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Mr Person said:

Bad things happen within countries that elect racist leaders, as a general rule.

Click to expand...

I would say that where leaders whose xenophobism and bigotry are essentially their platform, bad things tend to happen. Has there been a country whose economy didn't go into the crapper once a White Nationalist party was elected?

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

For migrants coming to the US, Trump proposes that would-be migrants take an ideological test. That is his right to suggest that. I would also recommend that if he becomes President, that before every prospective visit to another country, he be given an ideological test..... Other than in Putin's Russia, he will fail every test.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Mr Person said:

Bad things happen within countries that elect racist leaders, as a general rule.

Click to expand...

We have had racist and sexist leaders... hell, even racist slave owners. America still moved forward. What can trump do? Deny civil rights?

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Thorgasm said:

"We want our country to come back." This is a dog whistle for white men. The want to go back to a time of homogeneous communities. The want to go to dinner and not hear foreigners' "jibber jabber" in their native tongue. They don't want to press 1 for English. They want a John Smith in the White House, not a Dikembe Mutumbo. White men feel threatened by the playing field being leveled. They want Straight Pride parades. They want White History month. That's the "I want my Country back!" crowd. It's not all white folks, but it is a significant amount of Trump supporters.

Click to expand...

You trying to get in a hot immigrant ladies pants? :lol:

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Bodhisattva said:

We have had racist and sexist leaders... hell, even racist slave owners. America still moved forward. What can trump do? Deny civil rights?

Click to expand...

Trump could certainly try to do things using his executive power far worse than what Obama has been accused of doing; some things could eventually be stopped by the judiciary but only after lengthy process...after the damage is done....and there are plenty of other conceivable executive actions about which it is hard to imagine how they would get into court.

So I suppose the problem isn't simply if he is a racist rather than pretending to be one. It's that plus his shoot-from-the hip style, arrogance, belligerence, and general ignorance of /contempt for the law.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

ModerationNow! said:

You believe too much of the propaganda coming from the left.

Click to expand...

I grew up with these people. It's not everyone. But these "take our country back" people are angry because of the propaganda they choose because it confirms their biases.

ModerationNow! said:

If you can't see the REAL problems associated with tens of millions of poor, unskilled, mostly uneducated people pouring over the borders for decades, then you are truly blind. This has NOTHING to do with race! If every one of those people were white, but still poor, uneducated and unskilled, it would still be just as much of a problem as it is now!

Click to expand...

Sure problems exist. There are fewer illegals here now then when Obama took office. That's not "pouring" over the border.

Maybe you are different. The people I know never mention the Armenians, Albanians, and the Polish truck drivers taking their jerbs.

ModerationNow! said:

The people of Europe have seen thousands of people pour over their borders in recent months, and they are feeling the problems related to uncontrolled immigration, and yet they have only seen a tiny, miniscule fraction of what we have dealt with!

Click to expand...

Sure, there are problems. Nothing worth doing is easy.

ModerationNow! said:

Just because you may not have lost YOUR job or seen your salary reduced as a result of illegal immigration, doesn't mean you should ignore the suffering of lower middle class and poor American citizens OF ALL RACES who have dealt with those issues. Or people like myself, who've seen 35% state tax increases all at once in the past year, some of which is directly related to illegal immigration education, housing, food and health care costs! I lost my house for f#$% sake!

Click to expand...

I am sorry you lost your house. Did a foreign bank foreclose on it?

Look, you have the advantage. You are a citizen, speak the language, and have internet. If someone foreign is taking your job, you probably weren't a very good asset to your employer. That's capitalism.

Corporate welfare greatly overshadows in number of dollars the amount of welfare for the poor. Anyone who looks at the numbers must admit this. To willfully ignore that fact has to be fueled by emotions and not logical.

ModerationNow! said:

I am so tired of closed minded people who automatically choose to see the absolute worst in our people, instead of opening their eyes and thinking about the problem in an intelligent, objective and factual way! But no! It must be that the horrible, rotten, good for nothing Americans are just a bunch of racists!

Click to expand...

What do you mean by "our people"?

ModerationNow! said:

And they complain when we question their patriotism! Seems like there are many perfectly legitimate reasons for doing so!

Click to expand...

I pity people that question my patriotism.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Bodhisattva said:

You trying to get in a hot immigrant ladies pants? :lol:

Click to expand...

No, an ugly one's.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Mr Person said:

Trump could certainly try to do things using his executive power far worse than what Obama has been accused of doing; some things could eventually be stopped by the judiciary but only after lengthy process...after the damage is done....and there are plenty of other conceivable executive actions about which it is hard to imagine how they would get into court.

So I suppose the problem isn't simply if he is a racist rather than pretending to be one. It's that plus his shoot-from-the hip style, arrogance, belligerence, and general ignorance of /contempt for the law.

Click to expand...

I agree with all that but you would have to concede that Hilary and all her walking on the edge of lawbreaking and non-stop lying money hoarding bull**** is just as bad... if not worse.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Thorgasm said:

No, an ugly one's.

Click to expand...

the end game is the same... good luck.

Re: Trump not a racist asshole, but some of his supporters? That's a different story

Mr Person said:

Trump could certainly try to do things using his executive power far worse than what Obama has been accused of doing; some things could eventually be stopped by the judiciary but only after lengthy process...after the damage is done....and there are plenty of other conceivable executive actions about which it is hard to imagine how they would get into court.

So I suppose the problem isn't simply if he is a racist rather than pretending to be one. It's that plus his shoot-from-the hip style, arrogance, belligerence, and general ignorance of /contempt for the law.

Click to expand...

Bodhisattva said:

I agree with all that but you would have to concede that Hilary and all her walking on the edge of lawbreaking and non-stop lying money hoarding bull**** is just as bad... if not worse.

Click to expand...

I suspect Hillary scandals will be of a different nature, more damning of her than being generally immediately harmful. Consider the Benghazi business. Even if the allegations are generally true, the bottom line is what she did came after the fact. She didn't actually do something that got those four people killed. The alleged improprieties instead center on her trying to save face for the administration.

I'm more worried about Trump scandals because...well first they probably wouldn't be so much scandals as a direct abuse of executive authority that cannot be checked for quite a long time, if ever. I'd be worried about them whether they were domestic or with regards to foreign actions with troops. I'd be worried about his interacctions with foreign leaders. He's a guy who will say we'll build a wall and force Mexico to pay for it, without thought for the fact that we kind of have to work with Mexico on a number of things beyond simple immigration. And now he's gone and basically made a personal enemy of Mexico's leader, just to shore up some primary votes.



Basically, I feel the same as I've felt all along: I really don't like Hillary. I don't want to see her as President. But I just cannot imagine a Trump presidency going well in any respect. He's too much of a loose cannon.