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Johnson up double digits: Can he break the 15% threshold?

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Can the underdog Gary Johnson actually get on to the debate stage? Nationwide RCP Average has him standing at 8.4%.

He's got 16 in Colorado
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

12 in Iowa:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

10 in Indiana:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Indiana: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson

No he cannot. His open and unabashed support for the TPP is preventing him from breaking the ceiling.
 
Can the underdog Gary Johnson actually get on to the debate stage? Nationwide RCP Average has him standing at 8.4%.

He's got 16 in Colorado
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

12 in Iowa:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

10 in Indiana:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Indiana: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson

The Republocrats will not allow any third party candidates into the debates if they can stop it, and they can. They set the level at 15% purposefully, it's unreasonably high. Even to break it will require a level of exposure and coverage that is never afforded to third party candidates by the Press. So I doubt that Johnson, still playing in the sandbox built by the Republocrats, will be able to break it.

Even when they put up the chumpiest chumps who ever chumped, they will not allow a third party candidate to get into the debates. It could be potentially destabilizing to their power structure and they'd rather stiff us with some bottom of the barrel chumps than allow for true political competition.
 
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Hah, watch Johnson sneak in and become our next president. I'm not a supporter of his, but that would be one of the funniest things to happen maybe ever.
 
Can the underdog Gary Johnson actually get on to the debate stage? Nationwide RCP Average has him standing at 8.4%.

He's got 16 in Colorado
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

12 in Iowa:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

10 in Indiana:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Indiana: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson
I just don't see it.

But if he does, it could be a game changer since I believe he'll pull more from Hillary than Trump (which seems to be what happens comparing 2-way to 4way polls).
 
The Republocrats will not allow any third party candidates into the debates if they can stop it, and they can. They set the level at 15% purposefully, it's unreasonably high. Even to break it will require a level of exposure and coverage that is never afforded to third party candidates by the Press. So I doubt that Johnson, still playing in the sandbox built by the Republocrats, will be able to break it.

Even when they put up the chumpiest chumps who ever chumped, they will not allow a third party candidate to get into the debates. It could be potentially destabilizing to their power structure and they'd rather stiff us with some bottom of the barrel chumps than allow for true political competition.
So, I have to ask:

Why do you believe this is a 'GOP only' phenomenon?

(BTW - I have no evidence to bring forth, pro or con)
 
So, I have to ask:

Why do you believe this is a 'GOP only' phenomenon?

(BTW - I have no evidence to bring forth, pro or con)

I don't and never said so.
 
He barely gets any media coverage, so its unlikely. People are answering polls based on popularity, not substance.
 
The Republocrats will not allow any third party candidates into the debates if they can stop it, and they can. They set the level at 15% purposefully, it's unreasonably high. Even to break it will require a level of exposure and coverage that is never afforded to third party candidates by the Press. So I doubt that Johnson, still playing in the sandbox built by the Republocrats, will be able to break it.

Even when they put up the chumpiest chumps who ever chumped, they will not allow a third party candidate to get into the debates. It could be potentially destabilizing to their power structure and they'd rather stiff us with some bottom of the barrel chumps than allow for true political competition.

You are probably right. But answer me this, please. Why should the average voter care about voting for Johnson? Unless Mr. Johnson takes the stage, on his own doing, and gives an earth shattering speech, no one will care enough about him. Too few people seek out alternative candidates, but rather have the major players hand delivered on the evening news.
No candidate, good or bad, can just sit by and wait for things to happen.
 
I don't and never said so.
Fair enough, then.

I saw no mention of 'Dems' or 'Parties', but only of 'Repubs' - so it appeared to me to be GOP specific.

I'm no particular fan of the GOP either, to be honest.
 
You are probably right. But answer me this, please. Why should the average voter care about voting for Johnson? Unless Mr. Johnson takes the stage, on his own doing, and gives an earth shattering speech, no one will care enough about him. Too few people seek out alternative candidates, but rather have the major players hand delivered on the evening news.
No candidate, good or bad, can just sit by and wait for things to happen.

Some of us actually do care about him. There are quite a few people in this country looking for an alternative because we don't want to compromise our principles by casting a vote for a lying liberal or a lying liberal.
 
You are probably right. But answer me this, please. Why should the average voter care about voting for Johnson? Unless Mr. Johnson takes the stage, on his own doing, and gives an earth shattering speech, no one will care enough about him. Too few people seek out alternative candidates, but rather have the major players hand delivered on the evening news.
No candidate, good or bad, can just sit by and wait for things to happen.

Why should the cards be stacked against non-Republocrats? Why should people not be given information about the other candidates, why should we stifle political competition? Why should we hide choices from the People?

Johnson is working hard, he is polling high for someone who cannot get much in the way of coverage, particularly from our own Press. It's the Catch-22 and it was specifically set up this way. In order to keep the Republic, the People need to know the candidates and the candidates need to be allowed to present their platform to the people. In the day and age of TV coverage, that means access there as well.

Political competition keeps everything fresh and we need it since, left to their own, the parties will stagnate and corrupt; as the Republocrats have done. But playing off of apathy and ignorance, they maintain power. If we don't allow for this competition, if we don't take our duties to the Republic seriously, then we cannot keep it. So it is for the sake of the very Republic that more than just the Republocrats be allowed in the debate and more than just the Republocrats who can obtain proper coverage.
 
Fair enough, then.

I saw no mention of 'Dems' or 'Parties', but only of 'Repubs' - so it appeared to me to be GOP specific.

I'm no particular fan of the GOP either, to be honest.

republocrats.
 
Some of us actually do care about him. There are quite a few people in this country looking for an alternative because we don't want to compromise our principles by casting a vote for a lying liberal or a lying liberal.

I am talking about the average voter, the ones who vote D or R respectively, down the line. I want to bet that, if we go out on the street and ask who Johnson is, most can't answer.
He did have my vote last time, does now. But has he earned it, or am I voting for him because the alternative just reeks?
 
Why should the cards be stacked against non-Republocrats? Why should people not be given information about the other candidates, why should we stifle political competition? Why should we hide choices from the People?

Johnson is working hard, he is polling high for someone who cannot get much in the way of coverage, particularly from our own Press. It's the Catch-22 and it was specifically set up this way. In order to keep the Republic, the People need to know the candidates and the candidates need to be allowed to present their platform to the people. In the day and age of TV coverage, that means access there as well.

Political competition keeps everything fresh and we need it since, left to their own, the parties will stagnate and corrupt; as the Republocrats have done. But playing off of apathy and ignorance, they maintain power. If we don't allow for this competition, if we don't take our duties to the Republic seriously, then we cannot keep it. So it is for the sake of the very Republic that more than just the Republocrats be allowed in the debate and more than just the Republocrats who can obtain proper coverage.

He needs to make noise. May be do a Trump to get more publicity, come up with something catchy. Once he has more name recognition, perhaps more people will give him the time of day.
It may not be enough, but may make for a better chance than he has now.
 
I am talking about the average voter, the ones who vote D or R respectively, down the line. I want to bet that, if we go out on the street and ask who Johnson is, most can't answer.

There are a lot of competency and knowledge tests that the average person on the street couldn't answer. Doesn't mean we should teach things like science or math or literature.
 
Can the underdog Gary Johnson actually get on to the debate stage? Nationwide RCP Average has him standing at 8.4%.

He's got 16 in Colorado
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

12 in Iowa:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

10 in Indiana:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Indiana: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson

You're asking him to double his numbers, in less than a month and in five consecutive polls. In other words, the window is quickly closing for Johnson. Best of luck to him, but frankly, we're going to hear enough right-wing nonsense on the debate stage with Trump and Hillary up there.

There are a lot of competency and knowledge tests that the average person on the street couldn't answer. Doesn't mean we should teach things like science or math or literature.

Was that a libertarian Freudian slip?
 
He needs to make noise. May be do a Trump to get more publicity, come up with something catchy. Once he has more name recognition, perhaps more people will give him the time of day.
It may not be enough, but may make for a better chance than he has now.

It doesn't matter how much noise he makes, without the D or the R, he won't get coverage. It's as simple as that. The system is set up to marginalize and dismiss third party challenge. He needs that coverage for people to "give him the time of day". And around the Catch-22 we go.
 
I doubt it. That's a very steep hill to climb, and on top of that, he would have to reach that mark for a while and under multiple polls.
 
Some of us actually do care about him. There are quite a few people in this country looking for an alternative because we don't want to compromise our principles by casting a vote for a lying liberal or a lying liberal.

It was very encouraging to see Johnson give a nod to public accommodations.
That, alone, is one of the biggest barriers any libertarian would have with people of color, women, religious minorities, and people with disabilities.
 
No he cannot. His open and unabashed support for the TPP is preventing him from breaking the ceiling.

Most people don't know about it.
 
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