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My thoughts re Bernie and the DNC

radcen said:
If you think I'm partisan then you haven't been paying attention. This response is comical. :lol:
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Perhaps I misinterpreted the tone of the OP.
 
Right now I am disappointed with liberals and the burgeoning Democratic socialists in the Democratic Party. Instead of uniting to defeat Donald Trump, they are fighting amongst themselves and continually stepping on their own toes.

Frankly, the strings holding the American republic strong against a potential tyrant are weakening. The Republicans have had to endure that shame during the primary. Now the American left must be scolded for doing its part in not standing up to Trump.
 
radcen said:
He did/does caucus with them, absolutely correct. But now that we have a little more insight regarding his actions I feel safer in saying he did that only for his self-interests. He was closer to the Dems in ideology than he was the Reps, and he didn't want to get shut-out completely and be wholly irrelevant.

Given that he did little-to-no campaigning or fund-raising for lower-ticket races in the primaries suggests it was a one-way street for him... what the Dem Party could do for him, but he wasn't willing to return the favor.
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Of course he didn't fund-raise. Much of that is why corruption exists. The way the DNC has treated him the whole time why would he anyway. Those Superdelegates weren't supporting him. He shouldn't be their whore.
 
radcen said:
Maybe what I'm saying in a roundabout way is that the DNC (and the RNC) is just corrupt. :shrug: He was naive to expect better, given that he had shown no loyalty to them until he needed them, and even then his loyalty was only on an "as needed" basis.
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I don't see them as corrupt. Just class-a douchebags. If you actually read the emails it confirms that. NOT corruption.
 
Thorgasm said:
Of course he didn't fund-raise. Much of that is why corruption exists. The way the DNC has treated him the whole time why would he anyway. Those Superdelegates weren't supporting him. He shouldn't be their whore.
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That's fine, and I have no issue with that as far as it goes. But if he doesn't see it as a two-way street then he shouldn't be selfish and/or naive enough to expect they jump over barrels for him.
 
radcen said:
That's fine, and I have no issue with that as far as it goes. But if he doesn't see it as a two-way street then he shouldn't be selfish and/or naive enough to expect they jump over barrels for him.
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All anyone expects is fairness. If that is jumping over barrels then the Dems deserve to lose.
 
Thorgasm said:
Bernie offered bringing new voters to the party. They rejected his grass roots movement.

Sure, he was an independent, but he did caucus with the dems. No one wanted to cross Hillary.
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The Democratic Party establishment coalesced around Clinton as early as December 2014.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Why is it dishonest for politicans to coalesce around a nominee early?
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That isn't the dishonest part. The dishonest part was that DWS and the DNC pretended to be inpartial, even though it was obvious they were not.
 
Thorgasm said:
That isn't the dishonest part. The dishonest part was that DWS and the DNC pretended to be inpartial, even though it was obvious they were not.
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Did that cost Bernie any potential victories?

He was running as the anti-establishment candidate anyway.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Did that cost Bernie any potential victories?

He was running as the anti-establishment candidate anyway.
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Yes, it most likely did. DWS was on the News campaigning for Hillary while denying doing so. They controlled the cable propaganda networks
 
radcen said:
:eek: That never happens.
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What is unusual is that it is being brought to light. You may be comfortable with the status quo. I want better for our country. Heck, you might possible be a paid Hillary staffer. I am not sure why else someone would support her.

You don't really expect me to buy the "Well, Bill Cosby's been raping women for 40 years. Whatcha gonna do?". I can't shrug it off.
 
Thorgasm said:
What is unusual is that it is being brought to light. You may be comfortable with the status quo. I want better for our country. Heck, you might possible be a paid Hillary staffer. I am not sure why else someone would support her.

You don't really expect me to buy the "Well, Bill Cosby's been raping women for 40 years. Whatcha gonna do?". I can't shrug it off.
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Have you seriously not paid attention? Geez! :roll:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Show me what states he lost unfairly.
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It is hard to quantify numbers of votes. But the Debate schedule was created so as to minimize Bernie's exposure. The DNC propagating propaganda also had an effect. Look at the close states. Having the media include the Superdelegate numbers also helped people perceive Hillary as having a larger lead than she really did.
 
Thorgasm said:
It is hard to quantify numbers of votes. But the Debate schedule was created so as to minimize Bernie's exposure. The DNC propagating propaganda also had an effect. Look at the close states. Having the media include the Superdelegate numbers also helped people perceive Hillary as having a larger lead than she really did.
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The DNC added extra debates, one of them prior to the New York primary.

Bernie did not win New York. Were the extra debate supposed to make that possible?
 
Progressives need to go hard in 2020. I mean all-out political and media assault. People need to get mad.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The DNC added extra debates, one of them prior to the New York primary.

Bernie did not win New York. Were the extra debate supposed to make that possible?
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Too little, too late in my opinion.
 
radcen said:
He did/does caucus with them, absolutely correct. But now that we have a little more insight regarding his actions I feel safer in saying he did that only for his self-interests. He was closer to the Dems in ideology than he was the Reps, and he didn't want to get shut-out completely and be wholly irrelevant.

Given that he did little-to-no campaigning or fund-raising for lower-ticket races in the primaries suggests it was a one-way street for him... what the Dem Party could do for him, but he wasn't willing to return the favor.
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You're forgetting that most of the endorsements for the DNC went to Hillary before the race even started. Who was he going to campaign for?
 
radcen said:
First, do not mistake what I am about to say as approval or condoning what the DNC did. Far from it. But, having said that...

...I cannot whip up any sympathy for Bernie Sanders. Here's a guy who has made a big deal and a career out of being a Big-"I" Independent. He has specifically disavowed the Dem Party and make it a point that he is not one of them. He did little-to-no campaigning for lower-level races during his primary run, because it was all about him. He only joined them when it was convenient for him and the party affiliation would serve *his* purposes of running for President.

So, yeah, Bernie, what they did wasn't cool, but really you shouldn't have expected better to begin with.
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Bernie accomplished what he wanted. He pushed Hillary farther left. His followers are the young and naïve who really thought he was going to win. They are terribly disappointed and need to vent their frustration. Hillary has had 3 million more supporters. That's a fact. Things will calm down and most of Bernie's supporters will support Hillary in the end.
 
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