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Black Lives Matter is Out of Proportion with Reality

1. Is there truly a "systemic and intentional" targeting of blacks by white officers with regard to police shootings, or is this simply hyperbolic political rhetoric?
2. Does the "deadly oppression" they mention in their mission statement truly exist?
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1. Probably exists.......among less than one percent of cops.

2. No.

Even if it did, it wouldn't justify them marching around chanting, "Pigs in a Blanket, Fry'em Like Bacon."

BlackLivesMatter is a hate group that has set race relations back by 25 years.

They have never apologized to any of the officers they have falsely accused.....like the heroic Darrin Wilson, who stopped the fleeing felon Mike Brown dead in his tracks after Brown almost killed him with his own gun.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, I have lived in Southern California my whole life. I do not discount the racism and attitudes that have existed in some parts of the country.

I am referring to today. Right now. In cities like Los Angeles and surrounding cities, in the Chicago area, in Oakland and surrounding areas, etc..

The cycle of poverty is heart breaking. What a Black kids supposed to do when economic opportunity has been stripped from them? When crime brings a constant flow of Police vehicles to their neighborhoods?

Politicians and activists want to focus on Police issues, while running from the elephant in the living room. People in Black Communities are being played by the very people who claim to be their Champions. How many more decades of broken promises, platitudes, and insulting attitudes of the elites should they tolerate?

Is there any wonder blacks struggle with crime when jobs are scarce, and the few that exist are taken by illegal aliens who are flowing in at the invitation of the same government officials who promised to help them. Where is their American Dream?
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There is no difference down here in the South. The cycle is the same and there is predjudice here- yes. Mostly in rural areas. What is interesting though is that it isn't primarily southern cities where these shootings are happening. Even more than that, you aren't seeing these shootings done by small town cops, but by inner city police, adding to your argument that socio-economics is the underlying problem rather than race.
 
MaggieD said:
It is extremely unfortunate that BLM isn't adopt BLMT, Black Lives Matter Too.
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Why?

Saying "Black Lives Matter", does not imply that other lives do not matter. At least, not in English, using the objectively correct grammar, syntax, and definitions.
 
Mr Person said:
Why?

Saying "Black Lives Matter", does not imply that other lives do not matter. At least, not in English, using the objectively correct grammar, syntax, and definitions.
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Perception is reality. It's not what it says, it's what many THINK it says. Adding the "too" takes away the club the group is being hit over the head with.
 
Mr Person said:
Why?

Saying "Black Lives Matter", does not imply that other lives do not matter. At least, not in English, using the objectively correct grammar, syntax, and definitions.
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I would suggest that it does imply that, given that when the response from the community was #alllivesmatter, the founders of the organization condemned that statement as "racist."
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I acknowledge that Black people are convicted of more crimes per capita, but commits more crime. Hardee Har. You do realize that the police have a horrible record as far as catching criminals right? I think they have a 5 percent solve rate. And movements like BLM aren't talking about the FBI or DEA for that matter. They are talking about regular old patrol cops, detectives, and gang task forces. The thing is most Americans are guilty of some crime or another, and any scrutiny would reveal it. Black
ThoughtEx. said:
I acknowledge that Black people are convicted of more crimes per capita, but commits more crime. Hardee Har. You do realize that the police have a horrible record as far as catching criminals right? I think they have a 5 percent solve rate. And movements like BLM aren't talking about the FBI or DEA for that matter. They are talking about regular old patrol cops, detectives, and gang task forces. The thing is most Americans are guilty of some crime or another, and any scrutiny would reveal it. Black People are no different.

Most Criminals get away, that skews those numbers. Basin your argument on the numbers of the system in question is showing a bias. Plain and Simple. And the reason Black Communities are targeted by police is this insane drug war, over a plant. It's a gateway excuse for LE to take liberties and claim a neighborhood is crime ridden.

Unless your arguing that Black People are just inherently more violent than white people? Is that what you're saying?
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The FBI data is reported from the local police departments. I'm not saying that blacks are inherently more violent than white people, but they commit way more violent crimes (per capita) than white people do. You inserted the "inherently" part. I was just stating the fact.

There ARE inherent problems within our black communities. Much of it is socio-economic and some of it may be the fact that the rate of fatherlessness in black families is extremely high. Whatever the reason, rather than acknowledge the problem within their own community, they are determined to shout "Black Lives Matter" as if there is some major problem that is white people's fault.

There is something wrong in our black communities and the old tired excuse that the poor helpless black man gets unjustly arrested- while this may be true in a small number of cases- is simply a diversion and a failure to accept the problem at hand. I'll name the problem: Black men in inner cities have a crime problem. They commit a lot of crimes. That is proven from the data.
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Quazimodo said:
It's starting to look like more and more blacks are nothing more than welfare dependent whiners and dumb and blind followers of some Invented Satan.
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For 'blacks', read 'whites' and for 'some invented Satan', read 'Trump'.
That makes exactly as much sense as what you wrote.
 
kamikaze483 said:
I would suggest that it does imply that, given that when the response from the community was #alllivesmatter, the founders of the organization condemned that statement as "racist."
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Well, this actually confirms my point.


In objective English, it does not imply that other lives do matter. Others may choose to read it that way, but that has nothing to do with the actual meaning of "black lives matter" as an assertion; maybe they are biased, maybe they are assuming the meaning of the phrase is reflected in the actions of some members of BLM, but whatever they are doing, they aren't responding to the meaning of that assertion alone.



And from a logical perspective, if your point is that you are specifically upset about police treatment of black people, it actually wouldn't make sense to say "all lives matter".
 
Mr Person said:
Well, this actually confirms my point.


In objective English, it does not imply that other lives do matter. Others may choose to read it that way, but that has nothing to do with the actual meaning of "black lives matter" as an assertion; maybe they are biased, maybe they are assuming the meaning of the phrase is reflected in the actions of some members of BLM, but whatever they are doing, they aren't responding to the meaning of that assertion alone.



And from a logical perspective, if your point is that you are specifically upset about police treatment of black people, it actually wouldn't make sense to say "all lives matter".
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We are not talking about the WORDS Black Lives Matter, but rather the mission of the organization, as stated in the original post. When the organization states that All Lives Matter is racist, then that organization is taking the position that they are not inclusive of other races in their mission. That their mission is only for blacks, which- to the previous poster's point- does exclude that the organization believes "Black lives matter too." Rather, it would imply that the organization believes that only black lives matter for the purpose of the point they are trying to make.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, I have lived in Southern California my whole life. I do not discount the racism and attitudes that have existed in some parts of the country.

I am referring to today. Right now. In cities like Los Angeles and surrounding cities, in the Chicago area, in Oakland and surrounding areas, etc..

The cycle of poverty is heart breaking. What a Black kids supposed to do when economic opportunity has been stripped from them? When crime brings a constant flow of Police vehicles to their neighborhoods?

Politicians and activists want to focus on Police issues, while running from the elephant in the living room. People in Black Communities are being played by the very people who claim to be their Champions. How many more decades of broken promises, platitudes, and insulting attitudes of the elites should they tolerate?

Is there any wonder blacks struggle with crime when jobs are scarce, and the few that exist are taken by illegal aliens who are flowing in at the invitation of the same government officials who promised to help them. Where is their American Dream?
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What I am saying, because you are correct their are limiting economic factors at play, is those factors are not the issue being addressed. With regards to how LE and the Criminal Justice system treats human beings, whether those human beings are poor or not shouldn't be a factor. The crime this inflicted poverty brings to inner city black community is the crime of the selling of Drugs. In other words fulfilling a demand. So Cops target Black Neighborhoods looking for drug dealers, they target poor neighborhoods because poor and black = criminals in their mind. And like I said above, almost all Americans commit one crime or another, and it would be revealed with some scrutiny. You see, that instilled thinking, courtesy of Reagan's Lost Drug War, is the institutional racism. The Government spends all this time and money going after brown drug suppliers. When there would not be any suppliers without the wealthy white middle class creating the demand. Marijuana is the US largest Cash Crop. While maintaining a Schedule 1 status. When it has many known medical benefits. Why? Because it is instrumental in keeping Federal Dollars going to Prisons, Police Depts, and the Courts. And guess who they target, the groups the white consumers position into being the middle men and their suppliers. Brown People.

I know exponentially more white Meth Dealers and Cookers than even Black Weed dealers. The rural counties have a much worse drug and crime problem, at least once a month I am reading of someone blowing up their trailer cooking meth. But nobody is looking at those problems, when there are Scary Black Criminals with guns.

You wanna end inflicted poverty, I am all for that. There is still a problem that won't be affected if you level the economic playing field. Cops need the drug war to keep their jobs and fancy military style equipment, and maintaining the losing war requires certain narratives, one being Black Crime is out of Control. But they never put that crime into context. Because of you know Drugs.

So no, you can't show me one problem afflicting a group of people and say "See, this other problem isn't real because we all know problems come one at a time."

And curing the Black Communities economic woes, will only redirect LE's need of a victim/scapegoat to another group they can target. Because they need the property seizures, and that Drug War Money.
 
kamikaze483 said:
On their website, Black Lives Matter lists the following mission statement: "Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. It is an affirmation of Black folks’ contributions to this society, our humanity, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression."

Here are two questions for discussion:

1. Is there truly a "systemic and intentional" targeting of blacks by white officers with regard to police shootings, or is this simply hyperbolic political rhetoric?
2. Does the "deadly oppression" they mention in their mission statement truly exist?

I'm sure there have been plenty of threads on this, but the Washington Post published a database on police shootings:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

Key Statistics:

990 people were shot by cops in 2015.
494 were white (49.9%)
258 were black (26%)
90 victims were unarmed.

In a separate article, the Post states that "white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings." Police fatally shoot nearly 1,000 people in 2015 | The Washington Post

By the Post's numbers, therefore, killings of unarmed black men by white cops (4% of 90 unarmed victims) resulted in the shooting of 39.6 unarmed black people by white cops.

At the same time, the New York Times reports the following: "Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon." Conversely, this would mean that blacks and whites were equally likely to be UNARMED. Back to the data from the Post, this would mean that around 40 blacks and 40 whites were killed by police in 2015.

Next, lets look at crime data from the FBI: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

69% of all crimes committed in the US are committed by whites
28% of all crimes committed in the US are committed by blacks

Last, we have to look at the racial breakdown of the population as a whole: Census: White majority in U.S. gone by 2043 - U.S. News

Whites: 63%
Blacks: 17%

When we look at this data, we see a differential in white crime vs. white population of only -5%. Yet, we see a differential of black vs. black population of +11%. So 17% of the population commits 28% of the crime.

Looking at this data, I believe that racially motivated shootings of black men by white cops are extreme outliers and in no way reflect a "systemic and intentional" targeting of blacks.
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You're giving facts and numbers to people who only understand emoting. As much as I would love to see this change some minds, you"re speaking in a foreign tongue
 
kamikaze483 said:
ThoughtEx. said:
I acknowledge that Black people are convicted of more crimes per capita, but commits more crime. Hardee Har. You do realize that the police have a horrible record as far as catching criminals right? I think they have a 5 percent solve rate. And movements like BLM aren't talking about the FBI or DEA for that matter. They are talking about regular old patrol cops, detectives, and gang task forces. The thing is most Americans are guilty of some crime or another, and any scrutiny would reveal it. Black

The FBI data is reported from the local police departments. I'm not saying that blacks are inherently more violent than white people, but they commit way more violent crimes (per capita) than white people do. You inserted the "inherently" part. I was just stating the fact.

There ARE inherent problems within our black communities. Much of it is socio-economic and some of it may be the fact that the rate of fatherlessness in black families is extremely high. Whatever the reason, rather than acknowledge the problem within their own community, they are determined to shout "Black Lives Matter" as if there is some major problem that is white people's fault.

There is something wrong in our black communities and the old tired excuse that the poor helpless black man gets unjustly arrested- while this may be true in a small number of cases- is simply a diversion and a failure to accept the problem at hand. I'll name the problem: Black men in inner cities have a crime problem. They commit a lot of crimes. That is proven from the data.
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So your saying in bold there the Police can't be institutionally racist, look at this data provided by the very institution in question. It proves without a doubt, that the police say they aren't racist. That's what it proves. I am all for looking at data. Like Prison and Conviction data, and Comparable Crime Data not just a loose catch-all statistic.

Try and prove your point using something other than data provided by the very institution we are questioning. Until you do, you have zero credibility.
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ThoughtEx. said:
What I am saying, because you are correct their are limiting economic factors at play...
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You raise a lot of valid points. I'm going to address several of them. You and I are in total agreement that the cops need the drug war in order to remain useful, relevant and solvent- and that without the drug laws, we would require substantially smaller police forces, which is not good for the LEO unions. The war on drugs has become a way to enhance police activity and create more LEO jobs. I would have the entire drug code repealed- at least at the federal level- and even though I support states rights to pass laws they feel are necessary, I would totally support the repeal of all drug laws in my state. Drugs should not be illegal as it is not the role of the government to protect me from drugs. Secondly, the drug trade would be inherently less dangerous if drugs were legal.

However that is way off the point of the OP. Let's concentrate on the BLM mission statement and whether it is accurate, out of proportion with reality, or totally false.

With regards to how LE and the Criminal Justice system treats human beings, whether those human beings are poor or not shouldn't be a factor.
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We are talking here about that part of the BLM mission statement that says "systemically and intentionally." It is not that they are black or that they are poor. In high crime areas, LEO are deployed to catch criminals. If you are a cop and 9 out of 10 crimes on your beat are committed by blacks, you are likely to have the impression that a black person is much more likely than anyone else to be a criminal. While this is generalization, it is actually TRUE for that particular area. This impression on the part of the LEO hardly satisfies the "systemic and intentional" test. They are not intentionally targeting blacks and poor people. It happens to be that poor black people are generally the ones that commit crimes in the area and they may therefore be subjected to additional scrutiny. This IS profiling, but it is NOT "systemic and intentional" racism.

The crime this inflicted poverty brings to inner city black community is the crime of the selling of Drugs. In other words fulfilling a demand. So Cops target Black Neighborhoods looking for drug dealers, they target poor neighborhoods because poor and black = criminals in their min
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1. I challenge your use of the word "inflicted." Inflicted by whom?
2. From our previous posts, the data showed a much higher disparity between violent black offenders and the general black population (I think it was 38% of violent crime was committed by blacks which are only 17% of the population). That defeats the argument that the problem is primarily low level drug offenses. It's more than that. While the violent crime is many times related to drugs (and I already agreed with you that we should legalize drugs), the problem definitely surpasses a problem that can wholly and completely be laid at the feet of the drug war.

The rural counties have a much worse drug and crime problem, at least once a month I am reading of someone blowing up their trailer cooking meth.
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I believe that you perceive this to be true. I call it "sticking a wet finger in the air." But I don't believe that it is true. Certainly, you haven't provided data to prove it.

without the wealthy white middle class creating the demand.
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What the heck is the wealthy white middle class?

You see, that instilled thinking, courtesy of Reagan's Lost Drug War, is the institutional racism.
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This could only be true if it wan't, in fact, the blacks that are committing the drug crimes. Since they are the ones committing the crimes, it is difficult to then attempt to pass the blame back to the police department as being "institutional racists" for arresting them.
 
kamikaze483 said:
We are not talking about the WORDS Black Lives Matter, but rather the mission of the organization, as stated in the original post. When the organization states that All Lives Matter is racist, then that organization is taking the position that they are not inclusive of other races in their mission. That their mission is only for blacks, which- to the previous poster's point- does exclude that the organization believes "Black lives matter too." Rather, it would imply that the organization believes that only black lives matter for the purpose of the point they are trying to make.
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Oh how can I find the words...

I read another posters response to something like this, I just looked for it and couldn't find it. So I will try and sum it up. I think it was TheDemSocialist who originally summed this up. If anyone knows what I am talking about link it here.

Imagine you and your family, Both Parents and a brother and sister, all sit down. You are having porridge. Everyone gets a portion, but you don't. Now you immediately think this isn't fair. So you say, "I should get an equal portion". To which, your father corrects you by saying "We should all get an equal portion" in a smug tone. Then punishes you by not giving you a portion. Now you still have nothing, and your family thinks your a whiner.

I know I butchered it, but basically when you dismiss BLM with ALL Lives Matter, you're smugly denying a legite request while trying to remain in moral high ground. In my opinion this is worse and more racist than open racism. At least open racism is honest.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
kamikaze483 said:
So your saying in bold there the Police can't be institutionally racist, look at this data provided by the very institution in question. It proves without a doubt, that the police say they aren't racist. That's what it proves. I am all for looking at data. Like Prison and Conviction data, and Comparable Crime Data not just a loose catch-all statistic.

Try and prove your point using something other than data provided by the very institution we are questioning. Until you do, you have zero credibility.
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Unfortunately, data from the FBI is the most reliable data available related to national crime statistics. I'm all for an independent study of crime statistics, but for now that is the most credible data that I can bring. I would also mention that you have brought ZERO data to prove that it isn't true. You are sticking a wet finger in the area and saying, now, that LE agencies are fudging their reporting to the FBI. You can't make that claim without presenting data.
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ThoughtEx. said:
Oh how can I find the words...

I read another posters response to something like this, I just looked for it and couldn't find it. So I will try and sum it up. I think it was TheDemSocialist who originally summed this up. If anyone knows what I am talking about link it here.

Imagine you and your family, Both Parents and a brother and sister, all sit down. You are having porridge. Everyone gets a portion, but you don't. Now you immediately think this isn't fair. So you say, "I should get an equal portion". To which, your father corrects you by saying "We should all get an equal portion" in a smug tone. Then punishes you by not giving you a portion. Now you still have nothing, and your family thinks your a whiner.

I know I butchered it, but basically when you dismiss BLM with ALL Lives Matter, you're smugly denying a legite request while trying to remain in moral high ground. In my opinion this is worse and more racist than open racism. At least open racism is honest.
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This is all emotion and absent of facts. Everyone is receiving an equal portion. BLM and similar organizations want to suggest that they are not receiving their fair portion, even though this is either entirely not true or not entirely true. In addition, they want to cherry pick data and only present the data that shows that blacks are oppressed when in reality (see data below) while the rhetoric is at an all time high, discrimination is at an all time low- indicating that people want to FEEL their way into problem solving without using facts, which leads to efforts to solve the wrong problem.

10 Charts Show How ‘Racist’ America Really Is
 
kamikaze483 said:
This is all emotion and absent of facts. Everyone is receiving an equal portion. BLM and similar organizations want to suggest that they are not receiving their fair portion, even though this is either entirely not true or not entirely true. In addition, they want to cherry pick data and only present the data that shows that blacks are oppressed when in reality (see data below) while the rhetoric is at an all time high, discrimination is at an all time low- indicating that people want to FEEL their way into problem solving without using facts, which leads to efforts to solve the wrong problem.

10 Charts Show How ‘Racist’ America Really Is
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These charts show a couple of important things: 1) the trend of unemployment and poverty are essentially equal between whites and blacks, and 2) I think that the chart on interracial marriage approval rates (87% approval this year vs. 20% at the end of the 60's)
 
kamikaze483 said:
Unfortunately, data from the FBI is the most reliable data available related to national crime statistics. I'm all for an independent study of crime statistics, but for now that is the most credible data that I can bring. I would also mention that you have brought ZERO data to prove that it isn't true. You are sticking a wet finger in the area and saying, now, that LE agencies are fudging their reporting to the FBI. You can't make that claim without presenting data.
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Well I can't quote something that doesn't exist, in respect to reliable data. I kinda got standards that way. My premise rests solely on the fact I have witnessed and benefited from the systems racism. And BLM deserves to be at least heard, and their message considered. Blindly dismissing them, and then actively opposing them speaks to some agenda. Because no one has to listen to them. You fear they might have a cause for concern, and that will bring change. It is in the conservative nature to fear change. I get it, but change is a coming nevertheless.
 
I'll be more impressed when they march and riot over the murder of police officers by BLM followers.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Well I can't quote something that doesn't exist, in respect to reliable data. I kinda got standards that way. My premise rests solely on the fact I have witnessed and benefited from the systems racism. And BLM deserves to be at least heard, and their message considered. Blindly dismissing them, and then actively opposing them speaks to some agenda. Because no one has to listen to them. You fear they might have a cause for concern, and that will bring change. It is in the conservative nature to fear change. I get it, but change is a coming nevertheless.
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I didn't blindly dismiss them. I used facts. I do dismiss their emotions because I don't think that those emotions have basis in fact. I don't care what they feel. I care what is really happening.
 
kamikaze483 said:
This is all emotion and absent of facts. Everyone is receiving an equal portion. BLM and similar organizations want to suggest that they are not receiving their fair portion, even though this is either entirely not true or not entirely true. In addition, they want to cherry pick data and only present the data that shows that blacks are oppressed when in reality (see data below) while the rhetoric is at an all time high, discrimination is at an all time low- indicating that people want to FEEL their way into problem solving without using facts, which leads to efforts to solve the wrong problem.

10 Charts Show How ‘Racist’ America Really Is
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You yourself commented I have not put forth data, so of the two of us who is cherry picking...

And I find it hilarious that I answer your appeal to emotion, with a counter appeal to emotion, and you say nuh uh you have no facts...

Truth is, the only indicator that black people are getting an equal portion, is what Black People think. You assume this lofty moral high ground, and act like it is your kind that determines who splits the pie and judges what is fair. And any argument to the contrary is to be dismissed and vehemently opposed. Well, you keep on trying I would wish you well, but I don't.
 
kamikaze483 said:
I didn't blindly dismiss them. I used facts. I do dismiss their emotions because I don't think that those emotions have basis in fact. I don't care what they feel. I care what is really happening.
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Ah, you don't care about them as people, just how they behave in relation to you and society.

You don't see how that's racist? I am honestly asking.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
What I am saying, because you are correct their are limiting economic factors at play, is those factors are not the issue being addressed. With regards to how LE and the Criminal Justice system treats human beings, whether those human beings are poor or not shouldn't be a factor. The crime this inflicted poverty brings to inner city black community is the crime of the selling of Drugs. In other words fulfilling a demand. So Cops target Black Neighborhoods looking for drug dealers, they target poor neighborhoods because poor and black = criminals in their mind. And like I said above, almost all Americans commit one crime or another, and it would be revealed with some scrutiny. You see, that instilled thinking, courtesy of Reagan's Lost Drug War, is the institutional racism. The Government spends all this time and money going after brown drug suppliers. When there would not be any suppliers without the wealthy white middle class creating the demand. Marijuana is the US largest Cash Crop. While maintaining a Schedule 1 status. When it has many known medical benefits. Why? Because it is instrumental in keeping Federal Dollars going to Prisons, Police Depts, and the Courts. And guess who they target, the groups the white consumers position into being the middle men and their suppliers. Brown People.

I know exponentially more white Meth Dealers and Cookers than even Black Weed dealers. The rural counties have a much worse drug and crime problem, at least once a month I am reading of someone blowing up their trailer cooking meth. But nobody is looking at those problems, when there are Scary Black Criminals with guns.

You wanna end inflicted poverty, I am all for that. There is still a problem that won't be affected if you level the economic playing field. Cops need the drug war to keep their jobs and fancy military style equipment, and maintaining the losing war requires certain narratives, one being Black Crime is out of Control. But they never put that crime into context. Because of you know Drugs.

So no, you can't show me one problem afflicting a group of people and say "See, this other problem isn't real because we all know problems come one at a time."

And curing the Black Communities economic woes, will only redirect LE's need of a victim/scapegoat to another group they can target. Because they need the property seizures, and that Drug War Money.
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Thank you for the long thoughtful reply.

I believe one problem solves the other. I believe the focus on LE is designed to keep the light off the real issues Black Communities face. The total failure of liberal policies and the liberal politicians who promote them feed the requirement that LE be painted as the problem. That is a warped objective.

I don't see LE in the same light. I don't believe for a moment LE depends on the drug war, nor do I believe they would be in search of another victim/scapegoat they can target if drugs were no longer an issue. The belief you have expressed is so far from reality, IMO, we couldn't possibly find a middle ground.

Thanks again for the investment of time.

I wish you well.
 
kamikaze483 said:
These charts show a couple of important things: 1) the trend of unemployment and poverty are essentially equal between whites and blacks, and 2) I think that the chart on interracial marriage approval rates (87% approval this year vs. 20% at the end of the 60's)
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Ok, what does unemployment and marriage rates have to do with Police training methods, Court Policy, Sentencing Guidelines, and Prison conditions? Your arguing there can not be institutional racism because no one is openly racist anymore? Try again.
 
ocean515 said:
Thank you for the long thoughtful reply.

I believe one problem solves the other. I believe the focus on LE is designed to keep the light off the real issues Black Communities face. The total failure of liberal policies and the liberal politicians who promote them feed the requirement that LE be painted as the problem. That is a warped objective.

I don't see LE in the same light. I don't believe for a moment LE depends on the drug war, nor do I believe they would be in search of another victim/scapegoat they can target if drugs were no longer an issue. The belief you have expressed is so far from reality, IMO, we couldn't possibly find a middle ground.

Thanks again for the investment of time.

I wish you well.
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Go to a police auction, you'll get a great deal. It is all seized property, and every cop there will be willing to tell you how much they rely on you buying something to fund their department. Capitalism is both benevolent and cruel at the same time.

And I believe the issues facing the Black Community economically can be dealt with by the Black Community if we stopped imprisoning 1 in 3 Black People... Just saying, they are more than up to the task. We just need to remove their largest Predator.
 
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