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    What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

    In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

    Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
    Simple Definition of nationalism
    : a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
    : a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

    Full Definition of nationalism
    : loyalty and devotion to a nation;
    : especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Nothing. This is the greatest country in the world, by far. Just not perfect.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

    In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

    Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
    [COLOR="#000080"][I]Simple Definition of nationalism
    : a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
    : a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own
    There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's nation and it's accomplishments.

    It becomes problematic when this belief system is used as a foundation for conquest and control of other nations, militarily or economically.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

    In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

    Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
    Simple Definition of nationalism
    : a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
    : a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

    Full Definition of nationalism
    : loyalty and devotion to a nation;
    : especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
    The only people who find anything wrong with nationalism are globalist/internationalist scum.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

    In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

    Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
    Simple Definition of nationalism
    : a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
    : a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

    Full Definition of nationalism
    : loyalty and devotion to a nation;
    : especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
    There's nothing wrong with Nationalism. I love the USA. I fought for the USA. I respect the flag of the USA. I would fight again for the USA. I feel that I and my family are part of the luckiest group of people in the world that have the unbelievable fortune to be US Citizens. I support, defend, respect, and truly believe in the government limiting purpose, and the person right recognition and protections of the US Constitution.

    However, just as it is with most things, extremism of any sort is not good. Nationalism should not be used as an excuse to hate, or injure. Nationalism in and of itself does not hate or injure. Nationalism is not a bad thing, and in fact is required for a nation to exist, flourish, and survive. Without it, were just a group of people with nothing to hold us together.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only people who find anything wrong with nationalism are globalist/internationalist scum.
    Well...that is pretty much the definition of solely relying on an antonym based, black-white, and hyper-politicized argument to make a point.

    There is something wrong with a pure nationalist interpretation. You must recognize that a pure version of that ideology can lead to very horrific outcomes if aloud to operate with the force of the government or military - the hutus versus the tutsis and the nazis versus the jews being a couple of prime examples.

    Yes, nationalism is also a good thing and I love my country more than any other, but I also recognize the value that our planet provides to our nation and that's why love for other countries is also a love for my own. I am not scum for believing that as fact.

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Nothing. This is the greatest country in the world, by far. Just not perfect.
    That's easier for those of us to see and understand that have traveled the world and seen the differences that exist, and how lucky we actually are for being blessed to be US Citizens. That doesn't mean we should stop trying to make us as a people and us as a country, better.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Well...that is pretty much the definition of solely relying on an antonym based, black-white, and hyper-politicized argument to make a point.

    There is something wrong with a pure nationalist interpretation. You must recognize that a pure version of that ideology can lead to very horrific outcomes if aloud to operate with the force of the government or military - the hutus versus the tutsis and the nazis versus the jews being a couple of prime examples.

    Yes, nationalism is also a good thing and I love my country more than any other, but I also recognize the value that our planet provides to our nation and that's why love for other countries is also a love for my own. I am not scum for believing that as fact.
    Globalist scum like to resort to bringing Hitler or some other genocidal mass murderer to somehow paint nationalism is a bad light.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Merriam-Webster's definition of Nationalism appears to be quite reasonable to me!

    In fact; I personally already identify with most of this stuff__Am I missing something?

    Nationalism | Nationalism Definition by Merriam-Webster
    Simple Definition of nationalism
    : a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
    : a desire by a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) to form a separate and independent nation of their own

    Full Definition of nationalism
    : loyalty and devotion to a nation;
    : especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
    Problem is that nationalism so often leads to "we are better than them" attitudes, which is a problem for "them" if the nationalism gets so rabid that mass discrimination or worse happens... and that the nationalism basically blinds you to this, because standing up to such things would make you a traitor and not patriotic. We saw some of that during the Bush administration in the lead up to the Iraq war... just ask the Dixie Chicks and others that opposed the war.

    So a little being proud of your nation is fine, but if it gets out of hand then you got problems.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    The wealthy elite want nations to have little power so that they can increase their wealth. This is why for instance you see the Koch family sitting out the Trump candidacy, because one of the things they care most about is Amnesty for illegals and the free flow of people across borders so that they can exploit them as workers. For the elite nationalism goes in the wrong direction, it makes exploitation and building their wealth more difficult. Somehow in another they have convince the lefty elite that this is a good idea, not that this is saying much, as the current class of global elite seem to be none too bright.
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