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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What "traditional values," specifically?
    Protecting

    -Families
    - Communities
    - Children

    Respecting

    -Law enforcement
    -Our military
    -law and order

    Appreciation for

    -Work ethic
    -Self sacrifice
    -Self reliance
    -Self responsibility

    And here's one that will probably give you a hernia-

    -Acknowledging the importance of Christianity in helping to shape, build, mold our nation. Not to say that anyone in America's history was a perfect Christian, that's impossible anyway. But Christianity was our last and best defense against harmful forces that work to destroy a nation.

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Oh, this should be fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Protecting

    -Families
    - Communities
    - Children
    Please tell us, in your own words, who is advocating NOT protecting "families, communities and children."

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Respecting

    -Law enforcement
    -Our military
    -law and order
    "Respect" for these institutions/concepts does not mean giving them carte blanche to abuse the trust placed in them by the American people.

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Appreciation for

    -Work ethic
    -Self sacrifice
    -Self reliance
    -Self responsibility
    Who here is speaking out against any of these?

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    And here's one that will probably give you a hernia-

    -Acknowledging the importance of Christianity in helping to shape, build, mold our nation. Not to say that anyone in America's history was a perfect Christian, that's impossible anyway. But Christianity was our last and best defense against harmful forces that work to destroy a nation.
    I don't give a rat's ass about Christianity.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If one restaurant suits me better than a different restaurant then that restaurant is better according to me. Same goes for countries. Same goes for Religion. Same goes for tribes of people within nations. If people are offended by me liking one thing better than another (and maybe putting my voice to that by pronouncing it better) well that is just too damn bad, they have to get over it, because I am a free man(nominally). They get to like what they like, and I get to like what I like.
    Ahh you are talking suits/prefers... I am talking about people thinking they are superior than other humans based on nationality/race/religion.. and said inferior nationalities/races/religions must submit to massive discrimination or be destroyed.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Ever think it is nationalism that gets painted in a bad light specifically because I can reference Hitler or some other genocidal mass murderer as an example.
    I could care less why it gets painted in a bad light by globalist scum. I know that globalist scum hate nationalism/patriotism.So I understand why they have to go back in history to find an example of a horrible nationalist.Amazing how when someone brings up that nazis are socialist those same people tend to ignore that fact.They usually spew some nonsense that Hitler was not a real socialist.Which is what they do anytime someone brings up genocidal mass murderers who were either socialism or communists.

    You want to call me a scum, stop doing it in such passive and pussy manner.
    I merely brought up the fact that globalist/internationalist scum always try to use Hitler or some other scumbag to demonize nationalism.These people scoff at the notion of patriotism/nationalism.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I could care less why it gets painted in a bad light by globalist scum. I know that globalist scum hate nationalism/patriotism.So I understand why they have to go back in history to find an example of a horrible nationalist.Amazing how when someone brings up that nazis are socialist those same people tend to ignore that fact.They usually spew some nonsense that Hitler was not a real socialist.Which is what they do anytime someone brings up genocidal mass murderers who were either socialism or communists.
    Socialism/Communism and Nationalism are not mututally exclusive. That's why you keep using globalist and internationalist - those are the antonyms to a nationalist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I merely brought up the fact that globalist/internationalist scum always try to use Hitler or some other scumbag to demonize nationalism.These people scoff at the notion of patriotism/nationalism.
    You still trying to call me scum in some backhanded, pussy fashion. Stop being a coward.

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Socialism/Communism and Nationalism are not mututally exclusive.That's why you keep using globalist and internationalist - those are the antonyms to a nationalist.
    I brought up the fact globalist scum that tend bring up Hitler in order to demonize nationalist/patriotism are the same ones who ignore the fact that nazis are socialist and ignore some other scumbag history who is a socialist or communist. So if it fair for globalist/internationalist scum to demonize nationalism/patriotism with the likes of Hitler,Then it is also fair to use Hitler, Moa or Stalin to demonize socialism/communism.


    You still trying to call me scum in some backhanded, pussy fashion. Stop being a coward.
    If you don't think globalist are scum then that is your problem.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Problem is that nationalism so often leads to "we are better than them" attitudes, which is a problem for "them" if the nationalism gets so rabid that mass discrimination or worse happens... and that the nationalism basically blinds you to this, because standing up to such things would make you a traitor and not patriotic. We saw some of that during the Bush administration in the lead up to the Iraq war... just ask the Dixie Chicks and others that opposed the war.

    So a little being proud of your nation is fine, but if it gets out of hand then you got problems.
    The United States is the greatest nation of all time. I believe that and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The wealthy elite want nations to have little power so that they can increase their wealth.
    How does it increase their wealth in a manner not available in a nation with great power.?

    This is why for instance you see the Koch family sitting out the Trump candidacy, because one of the things they care most about is Amnesty for illegals and the free flow of people across borders so that they can exploit them as workers.
    When did they say that?

    For the elite nationalism goes in the wrong direction, it makes exploitation and building their wealth more difficult. Somehow in another they have convince the lefty elite that this is a good idea, not that this is saying much, as the current class of global elite seem to be none too bright.
    So being stupid promotes elitism?

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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    How does it increase their wealth in a manner not available in a nation with great power.?

    They can (and do) drive down the cost of doing business, like companies go state shopping for deals, often getting not only tax and fee breaks but also funds for training employees, relocation assistance and the like. If the holders of capital could not play the states/nations off against each other at the expense of the little people then they would not.... No? Nations are now generally deep into debt with little power to tax and with little power to create jobs without the assistance of the elite, they usually do as they are told, for instance deregulate, allow massive spucaltion massively driving up costs to everyone to feed the pockets of the elite and you get my drift.

    When did they say that?

    When all/almost all the the people they fund take this position


    So being stupid promotes elitism?

    No, thinking that you are better than the rest promotes the stupid.

    On second thought it is a symptom of stupid
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    Re: What exactly is wrong with "Nationlism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    That pretty much nails it.

    There's nothing wrong with loving your country until you let that love blind you to her faults and misdeeds - something a true patriot would not let happen
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