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Lese Majeste! Clinton Fury With Sanders Grows

But she is not the monster some of you people want to make her out to be...and she represents the BEST chance of keeping the Republicans out of the White House....something I want very much to do.

This is why Donald Trump stands a great chance of becoming president in 2017. A total, absolute denial of polling data, and a total inability to assimilate polling data or the zeitgeist of the average American's feelings on politics.

The BernieOrBust people are trying to keep the DNC from making a terrible mistake.
 
This is why Donald Trump stands a great chance of becoming president in 2017. A total, absolute denial of polling facts, and a total inability to assimilate polling data or the zeitgeist of the average American's feelings on politics.

Are you saying she is a monster?
 
Good morning, LowDown. :2wave:

The Clinton camp is furious because Sanders won't drop out? WTH? The man has drawn huge crowds at his rallies - many of them young people who have never taken an interest in politics before - and he should drop out when he's getting millions of votes? He's been fighting a tough battle with the deck stacked against him since the beginning of his campaign, and just because she feels entitled to the nomination for reasons known only to her doesn't make it an automatic win for her! How unfair! :thumbdown: I don't agree with much of his agenda, but he has the right to present it!

Your post implies you do not know the facts

Hillary Clinton has over three million more votes than Bernie Sanders


Hillary Clinton Can win the nomination without super delegates
Bernie Sanders can not win the nomination without super delegates

Three million more democrats voted For Hillary Clinton than have for Bernie Sanders
 
Sense of entitlement; that's what it is.

I have some friends in the Hare Krishna movement who like to compete with me.

They have a large sense of entitlement.

I saw Hillary Clinton tv yesterday totally taken over by one of these people, her facial expressions etc. and this sense of entitlement. She's been pretty good lately at not doing this but here it was.

I was revolted by this display of puppetry that they seem to like to do sometimes so I rejected Hillary and went to work on Trump.

At least this may even things up a little bit.

I saw on the news that they too were favoring Trump in their presentation for this reason (to keep it even.)

Bernie Sanders supporters seem to think he somehow is entitled to the nomination
Even though he has lost

And if you think their attempt to hijack the convention in Nevada your wrong
Bernie Sanders has lost one super delegates pledge be cause of the actions in Nevada
Violence and intimidation will turn many democrats of
 
Are you saying she is a monster?

Firstly, that's the most non-sequitur response you could possibly give. Secondly, it doesn't matter what I think, it matters how the average American likes her, and how much she inspires them to vote. Right now, in the two most recent polls, she's losing to Donald Trump. To Donald f***ing Trump. Democrats somehow managed to find the one Democrat weak enough to lose to Donald "I Use the Best Words" Trump.

They're the ones who are throwing out a sure-thing-victory and are gambling with America's future. You can whine and blame Sanders and his supporters as long as you want to, but the facts are the facts. Amazingly, it's not even enough to you to just say, "Look, she's going to win the primary." You have to go further and make up claims about how Hillary Clinton is "obviously" the one who is needed to beat Trump because she's the only one who can pull in the numbers --from whole clothe, based solely on your feelings, and running totally contrary to the facts and the polling that has been coming out for months now. Sanders has always been the stronger election candidate in polls for months now, and including all of April when they now are officially a historically reliable indicator. But then you have the temerity to turn around and blame Sanders because Hillary Clinton is now losing to Trump, because she can't pull in Sander supporters?

Which is it, Frank, is she the best candidate to beat Trump or isn't she?

Finally, even Nate Silver is starting to wise up and admit some hard truths about Hillary, namely what the almost certain reason for her losing to Trump in recent polls. And he gives her campaign some advice --the same advice I've said on this forums for months-- which is that if she doesn't drastically change course to accommodate left-wing Independents, who're now a huge swatch of voters who are "clearly to the left of her," this election will "come down to the wire." And yet, Hillary is still "triangulating," which in 2016 terms means "is working really hard to lose her national advantages to Trump." The proof is in the pudding. The Democrats have pissed off the left-wing Independent voters they need every election in order to secure victory. And if they were honest --if the DNC-backed pundits on MSNBC, CNN, et al were honest for even a single second-- they would acknowledge that their/DWS/Clinton's slandering of Independents, the incredibly dishonest and scurrilous character assassinations of these voters are exactly why Hillary is tied to Trump.

This is a self-inflicted wound that Hillary and her mouth pieces have performed on themselves, and they have no one to blame but themselves. Apparently this is new information, but calling people who you must have to vote for you a "cult of white males," "violent individuals," "usurpers," "supporters of white dominance," "angry men," "sexists," "low information voters," "shouting lunatics," and a "threat" does not draw them out to vote for you. And I'm not totally certain when this became news, or why Hillary supporters didn't, can't, and won't see this.
 
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You go Bernie! Bern baby Bern!

The sense of entitlement of the Clinton people is breathtaking. I hope Sanders runs a third party bid just to teach them a lesson.

But then we end up with Trump, which will teach us ALL a lesson. :cry:

Clinton fury with Sanders grows | TheHill


Why would you use the word entitlement
Remember two facts
Bernie Sanders is not a democrat he is a independent
he wanted independences to be allowed to vote in the democratic primary the democrats allow that in many states
he is still losing
He wants to rules changed in his favor
Hillary Clinton won the primaries in Nevada
Bernie Sanders and his followers tried to hijack the convention and change the rules

I wonder what most people would say if Hillary Clinton and her supporters tried to hijack a convention and reverse the number of delegates so that she would get the majority of delegates instead of Bernie Sanders
 
DEMANDS???

They would like him to give it up.

I would like him to give it up.

Most of the Democrats outside the Sanders camp want him to give it up.

Hillary has 3 million more votes than he has.

THREE MILLION MORE.

She has almost 200 more won delegates.

Yeah...she is beating him solidly...and she would like to turn her attention to Donald Trump.
How short memory is. She did almost the exact same thing in '08.
 
The way I see it, this election isn't about republican vs democrat or conservative vs liberal. It's establishment vs outsider. While Sanders is a sitting senator, he's an independent so definitely not part of either political party establishment. Sort of like a left Ron Paul. Trump is completely outside establishment politics, not holding any elective office and really, a RINO in the truest sense of the term. Clinton, on the other hand, is as establishment and insider as it gets. She's essentially running as a continuation of current policies, a champion of the status quo.
 
Wow...the Clinton camp is upset by something hurting her chances to be elected.

Who ever heard of a political candidate being upset by something like that?

This must be a first.

Thank you so much for offering it for consideration, LowDown.

Things must be really slow for your side right now, huh?

I think Bernie has the right to stay till the bitter end, it's not like this hasn't happened before. The Democrats managed to unite under Obama when she did it in '08. Her whining about someone doing it to her now isn't going to engender any sympathy for her.
 
Oh...how terrible of Hillary Clinton.

To think...an American politician who wants to win.

Gimme a break.

Greetings, frank Apisa. :2wave:

It appears that Sanders wants very much to win, too, since he has said he's in until the convention, but so did most of the Republican candidates that originally entered the race only to drop out one by one along the way. It's the way the game is played, but the millions of Sanders' followers aren't going to be happy if it ends up looking like it was always rigged in her favor, and I can almost guarantee that! It would be better if the Super Delegates aren't needed after all, IMO.
 
Wow...the Clinton camp is upset by something hurting her chances to be elected.

Who ever heard of a political candidate being upset by something like that?

This must be a first.

Thank you so much for offering it for consideration, LowDown.

Things must be really slow for your side right now, huh?
Seriously! It's her crown and she doesn't want Bernies greasy hair DNA on it!
 
Your post implies you do not know the facts

Hillary Clinton has over three million more votes than Bernie Sanders


Hillary Clinton Can win the nomination without super delegates
Bernie Sanders can not win the nomination without super delegates

Three million more democrats voted For Hillary Clinton than have for Bernie Sanders

Greetings, nntwored12. :2wave:

Then the Sanders' supporters should not have a beef - yet they appear to. What do they hope to gain?
 
Greetings, frank Apisa. :2wave:

It appears that Sanders wants very much to win, too, since he has said he's in until the convention, but so did most of the Republican candidates that originally entered the race only to drop out one by one along the way. It's the way the game is played, but the millions of Sanders' followers aren't going to be happy if it ends up looking like it was always rigged in her favor, and I can almost guarantee that! It would be better if the Super Delegates aren't needed after all, IMO.

That's maybe true, but it's extremely unlikely the happen. Sanders supporters are not marching home until every ballot is cast, and even while it's clear that on votes alone he'll lose, Sanders supporters are stilling showing up at the polls, if nothing else, to snub Hillary and vote her down. He's still beating her in states. That should tell people who are awake and rational something.
 
DEMANDS???

They would like him to give it up.

I would like him to give it up.

Most of the Democrats outside the Sanders camp want him to give it up.

Hillary has 3 million more votes than he has.

THREE MILLION MORE.

She has almost 200 more won delegates.

Yeah...she is beating him solidly...and she would like to turn her attention to Donald Trump.

Yet despite her massive, massive institutional advantage with the entire DNC behind her, she's still only 200 delegates ahead, half a California. If the DNC had been an impartial arbiter of the competition from the beginning, Sanders supporters wouldn't feel completely ****ed, because at least we would've lost fairly.

You keep pushing the candidate that has already started losing to Trump in national polls. If Trump becomes president, it is 100% the fault of Hillary supporters and the DNC running such a weak and corrupt candidate.

Your post implies you do not know the facts

Hillary Clinton has over three million more votes than Bernie Sanders

Hillary Clinton Can win the nomination without super delegates
Bernie Sanders can not win the nomination without super delegates

Three million more democrats voted For Hillary Clinton than have for Bernie Sanders

This is completely false. She's only 270 pledged delegates ahead and there are 7 states left, including California which is worth TWICE his deficit. The DNC and people like you have been telling us since the very first day of Sanders campaign and every day since that it's already over, Hillary's coronation will happen, our votes and issues don't matter, and that we should shut up, sit down, and toe the line. You really don't see why we might be a little sour about having our issues and our candidate completely ignored?

The way I see it, this election isn't about republican vs democrat or conservative vs liberal. It's establishment vs outsider. While Sanders is a sitting senator, he's an independent so definitely not part of either political party establishment. Sort of like a left Ron Paul. Trump is completely outside establishment politics, not holding any elective office and really, a RINO in the truest sense of the term. Clinton, on the other hand, is as establishment and insider as it gets. She's essentially running as a continuation of current policies, a champion of the status quo.

This. There are so many parallels to Sanders and Ron Paul. I supported Paul in '12 and would've voted Republican had he got the nation. Sadly I'm probably going to be heartbroken once again.
 
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Firstly, that's the most non-sequitur response you could possibly give.

No it is not.

Secondly, it doesn't matter what I think, it matters how the average American likes her, and how much she inspires them to vote. Right now, in the two most recent polls, she's losing to Donald Trump. To Donald f***ing Trump. Democrats somehow managed to find the one Democrat weak enough to lose to Donald "I Use the Best Words" Trump.

They're the ones who are throwing out a sure-thing-victory and are gambling with America's future. You can whine and blame Sanders and his supporters as long as you want to, but the facts are the facts. Amazingly, it's not even enough to you to just say, "Look, she's going to win the primary." You have to go further and make up claims about how Hillary Clinton is "obviously" the one who is needed to beat Trump because she's the only one who can pull in the numbers --from whole clothe, based solely on your feelings, and running totally contrary to the facts and the polling that has been coming out for months now. Sanders has always been the stronger election candidate in polls for months now, and including all of April when they now are officially a historically reliable indicator. But then you have the temerity to turn around and blame Sanders because Hillary Clinton is now losing to Trump, because she can't pull in Sander supporters?

Which is it, Frank, is she the best candidate to beat Trump or isn't she?

Finally, even Nate Silver is starting to wise up and admit some hard truths about Hillary, namely what the almost certain reason for her losing to Trump in recent polls. And he gives her campaign some advice --the same advice I've said on this forums for months-- which is that if she doesn't drastically change course to accommodate left-wing Independents, who're now a huge swatch of voters who are "clearly to the left of her," this election will "come down to the wire." And yet, Hillary is still "triangulating," which in 2016 terms means "is working really hard to lose her national advantages to Trump." The proof is in the pudding. The Democrats have pissed off the left-wing Independent voters they need every election in order to secure victory. And if they were honest --if the DNC-backed pundits on MSNBC, CNN, et al were honest for even a single second-- they would acknowledge that their/DWS/Clinton's slandering of Independents, the incredibly dishonest and scurrilous character assassinations of these voters are exactly why Hillary is tied to Trump.

This is a self-inflicted wound that Hillary and her mouth pieces have performed on themselves, and they have no one to blame but themselves. Apparently this is new information, but calling people who you must have to vote for you a "cult of white males," "violent individuals," "usurpers," "supporters of white dominance," "angry men," "sexists," "low information voters," "shouting lunatics," and a "threat" does not draw them out to vote for you. And I'm not totally certain when this became news, or why Hillary supporters didn't, can't, and won't see this.

The Sanders people are the Tea Party of the progressive side of the American political spectrum.

Fine...every political movement needs its jerks.

If Donald Trump wins this election...it will almost certainly be because the childish Sanders people were unable to accept that they were beaten fairly and squarely during the primary season.

The Tea Party makes me sick. The Tea Party of the progressive side makes me even sicker.
 
I think Bernie has the right to stay till the bitter end, it's not like this hasn't happened before. The Democrats managed to unite under Obama when she did it in '08. Her whining about someone doing it to her now isn't going to engender any sympathy for her.

She is not looking for sympathy. She is clearly the winner of the primary season...and now she is asking the opposition to get out of the way.

He is saying "no"...and that is the way it goes.

Some people think she has no right to ask that he get out of the way...so she can concentrate on the true opposition.

Why does she not have that right?
 
Greetings, frank Apisa. :2wave:

It appears that Sanders wants very much to win, too, since he has said he's in until the convention, but so did most of the Republican candidates that originally entered the race only to drop out one by one along the way. It's the way the game is played, but the millions of Sanders' followers aren't going to be happy if it ends up looking like it was always rigged in her favor, and I can almost guarantee that! It would be better if the Super Delegates aren't needed after all, IMO.

I agree with you on that, Polgara.

I hope they are NOT needed.

But both these candidates went into the race knowing that there were super delegates...and that THEY would count. Those are the rules that ought to be used.

But I do agree it would be better.
 
Seriously! It's her crown and she doesn't want Bernies greasy hair DNA on it!

There is no crown.

She is winning by more than 3 million votes...and she has more delegates that she has won.

The "crown" remark is an absurdity.

I can understand, though, why a conservative would want Bernie to win the nomination and Hillary to lose. Too bad Bernie's supporters are not able to see why also.
 
That's maybe true, but it's extremely unlikely the happen. Sanders supporters are not marching home until every ballot is cast, and even while it's clear that on votes alone he'll lose, Sanders supporters are stilling showing up at the polls, if nothing else, to snub Hillary and vote her down. He's still beating her in states. That should tell people who are awake and rational something.

How would the people willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater know anything about folk who are "awake and rational?"
 
Yet despite her massive, massive institutional advantage with the entire DNC behind her, she's still only 200 delegates ahead, half a California. If the DNC had been an impartial arbiter of the competition from the beginning, Sanders supporters wouldn't feel completely ****ed, because at least we would've lost fairly.

Sanders DID lose fairly.

His supporters are too childish to acknowledge that.

I am becoming more and more convinced the jerks of the progressive Tea Party will help elect Donald Trump.

What a sad, sad group of people they are.
 
We learned that you have to be completely crazy to run for President, and we are now living with the results of that.

There is a certain amount of that in it, I am sure.
 
I wonder if Hillary loses the nomination again if she's going to blame male misogyny like she did the last time she lost the nomination. That alone showed an entitlement mentality. It also tells me that Bernie would be a better choice than Hillary because he doesn't have that bigotry which could affect his leadership if he's elected. Her bigotry on the other hand most definitely would. We've seen the type of divisiveness that such bigotry promulgates in the Obama administration. I don't see any bigotry in Sanders.

I myself will never vote for Hillary because she is pretty much the most corrupt politician out there. I will also not vote for her because of her stance on guns which appears to be worse than even Bernie Sanders stance which isn't all that good, but still better than Hillary's.

In the end, I will never vote for Hillary and will vote Trump if Hillary gets the nomination. If Bernie gets the nomination I will vote for him over Trump because of Trumps bigotry being far worse than Obama's.
 
I wonder if Hillary loses the nomination again if she's going to blame male misogyny like she did the last time she lost the nomination. That alone showed an entitlement mentality. It also tells me that Bernie would be a better choice than Hillary because he doesn't have that bigotry which could affect his leadership if he's elected. Her bigotry on the other hand most definitely would. We've seen the type of divisiveness that such bigotry promulgates in the Obama administration. I don't see any bigotry in Sanders.

I myself will never vote for Hillary because she is pretty much the most corrupt politician out there. I will also not vote for her because of her stance on guns which appears to be worse than even Bernie Sanders stance which isn't all that good, but still better than Hillary's.

In the end, I will never vote for Hillary and will vote Trump if Hillary gets the nomination. If Bernie gets the nomination I will vote for him over Trump because of Trumps bigotry being far worse than Obama's.
what is it about Hillary that you feel "trumps" his bigotry
 
She is not looking for sympathy. She is clearly the winner of the primary season...and now she is asking the opposition to get out of the way.

He is saying "no"...and that is the way it goes.

Some people think she has no right to ask that he get out of the way...so she can concentrate on the true opposition.

Why does she not have that right?

She has the right to of course. But why piss of the Bernie supporters by asking him to get out? She's got it all wrapped up anyway... right? Bernie isn't doing any further damage to Hillary by staying in a few more weeks, she on the other hand...

I leave you with this.

 
Sanders DID lose fairly.

His supporters are too childish to acknowledge that.

I am becoming more and more convinced the jerks of the progressive Tea Party will help elect Donald Trump.

What a sad, sad group of people they are.

Ah, jerks and a sad, sad group just because they don't want to get behind Hillary.
 
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