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Ted Cruz Will Roll Back Access to Contraception if Elected

Harry Guerrilla said:
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Insurance is a risk management strategy, often it is meant to make a person whole in the event of a loss.
It is not meant to only cover things that cause people to not die.



Yes it does and no I did not.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance

A person needing bc is not an "contingent, uncertain loss."
It is a certain, continuous loss for the insured.

It makes 0 sense from an insurers perspective to cover something like bc, because it is a certain loss.
They can't risk model something that is guaranteed.



Having shelter is a preventative measure from getting hypothermia.
That's immaterial anyway though, as not all types of preventative medicine are cost effective.
Even if it is, it's not always in the perspective of the insurer to cover it, it is your responsibility.

Pregnancy is not a medical condition, but again, that is immaterial.
If insurance were require all preventative measures for medical conditions, it would go to absurd levels.



Medical condition | definition of medical condition by Medical dictionary
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Your opinions on this are all yours but I certainly dont share them and neither does the insurance industry.

But you did prove my point...insurance is a risk strategy? Then birth control is one of the best investments in that, since unplanned pregnancy leads to SO many other medical expenses, many of which cannot be paid for (implied by unplanned.)

So thanks, you really did make my main point.

(Of course pregnancy is a medical condition: ALL women are recommended to be under a doctor's care along the entire process. And need a medical professional of some kind at the end for a safe delivery.

Do they "have" to have doctor during pregnancy and childbirth? No...things will progress...woman and child may survive, may not, may have huge complications. Same with cancer..do people with cancer "have" to see a doctor and get treatment? No...things will progress....and people may survive, may not, may have huge complications.)

LOL Again, thanks.
 
Lursa said:
Your opinions on this are all yours but I certainly dont share them and neither does the insurance industry.
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The insurance industry doesn't agree with what insurance is.
That's weird.

Lursa said:
But you did prove my point...insurance is a risk strategy? Then birth control is one of the best investments in that, since unplanned pregnancy leads to SO many other medical expenses, many of which cannot be paid for (implied by unplanned.)

So thanks, you really did make my main point.
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And it's cheap.
Which is why it doesn't make any sense that, middle and upper class women get it for free.
The entire point of this debate.

Insurance is for low probability, high cost not high probability, low cost.
That's why it's a communal resource pool.
People, individually, can't afford the high cost, low probability procedures and treatments.

Lursa said:
(Of course pregnancy is a medical condition: ALL women are recommended to be under a doctor's care along the entire process. And need a medical professional of some kind at the end for a safe delivery.
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By this reasoning, wanting bigger boobs or a longer penis, is a medical condition.
You're under a doctors care after all.

Lursa said:
Do they "have" to have doctor during pregnancy and childbirth? No...things will progress...woman and child may survive, may not, may have huge complications. Same with cancer..do people with cancer "have" to see a doctor and get treatment? No...things will progress....and people may survive, may not, may have huge complications.)
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All this is irrelevant.

Lursa said:
LOL Again, thanks.
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Anytime.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Because liberals masquerading on message boards as "conservative" lie like rugs, especially the OP.

Wow, I guess the young women are going to have to buy contraceptives the way I did as a young woman and the many hundreds of millions of women who didn't want to get pregnant did from the very first day a form of birth control was made available.
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Or get them from planned parenthood where young women go for contraceptives and have been for decades.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Oh good, using the power of the government for religious reasons... what could possibly go wrong? :roll:
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Well, you know Iran looks great! What a wonderful theocracy. /s
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The insurance industry doesn't agree with what insurance is.
That's weird.
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Er no. The insurance industry does recognize birth control as a valid inclusion. So....you just posted jibberish.

And it's cheap.
Which is why it doesn't make any sense that, middle and upper class women get it for free.
The entire point of this debate.
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So people who can afford things are not entitled to the same benefits from the health insurance they pay into as people more economically challenged? Nice. (not).

Insurance is for low probability, high cost not high probability, low cost.
That's why it's a communal resource pool.
People, individually, can't afford the high cost, low probability procedures and treatments.
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Thanks, again you are proving how preventing the risks of pregnancy and attendent medical conditions are justified by including birth control.

By this reasoning, wanting bigger boobs or a longer penis, is a medical condition.
You're under a doctors care after all.
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Of course not. Doctors dont have to monitor the conditions of boobs or penises, or look for defects, or offer medical care for the woman or the unborn (yes...they even do surgery on the fetuses), etc. for pregnant women. Pretty sure doctors dont have to prescribe medications and vitamins for deficiencies in women wanting bigger boobs or men wanting longer dicks.

So....care to struggle for even more irrelevant examples? :doh
All this is irrelevant.
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Yeah, tell that to someone with cancer who also has the CHOICE to get the best treatment they can. Wow.



Anytime.[/QUOTE]
 
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