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Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers"

Re: Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers"

Helix said:
my guess that if it's done correctly, it will work pretty much like it does in other places : not perfectly, but not this :
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Why would one expect American single-payer to look like unspecified "other places" and not like what already exists in the U.S.--i.e., Medicare and/or Medicaid, both of which feature heavy involvement of private companies?
 
imyoda said:
Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers" - Yahoo News
Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers"

“On Wednesday, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) spoke to a group of congressional interns on Capitol Hill. But the remarks he made were intended for a national audience — a grand public reflection on what he perceives to be a decline in the state of American political discourse, which he linked to the rise of Donald Trump without mentioning him by name.
Ryan argued that how we speak to each other matters, especially in times of extreme polarization. He lamented how the young interns in the audience were too young to remember when politicians "disagreed without being disagreeable."

Ryan, the 2012 Republican vice presidential nominee and the most powerful Republican in Congress, offered what amounted to an apology for his own past statements:

There was a time that I would talk about a difference between "makers" and "takers" in our country, referring to people who accepted government benefits. But as I spent more time listening, and really learning the root causes of poverty, I realized something. I realized that I was wrong. "Takers" wasn't how to refer to a single mom stuck in a poverty trap, trying to take care of her family. Most people don't want to be dependent. And to label a whole group of Americans that way was wrong. I shouldn't castigate a large group of Americans just to make a point………”

A man of honor in my book……and more of what represents the party’s values than the 2 jerks now vying for the GOP nominee for the Presidency
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He was right originally, is wrong now. If you take a check for breathing or breeding, you're a taker.
 
Re: Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers"

Greenbeard said:
Why would one expect American single-payer to look like unspecified "other places" and not like what already exists in the U.S.--i.e., Medicare and/or Medicaid, both of which feature heavy involvement of private companies?
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there will be some private sector involvement. what i would like to see is the same guaranteed level of care for everyone regardless of where they work or their ability to pay. this is already the status quo in some first world nations, and they aren't turning into communist dictatorships, nor are the citizens threatening to secede.
 
Re: Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers"

Helix said:
there will be some private sector involvement. what i would like to see is the same guaranteed level of care for everyone regardless of where they work or their ability to pay. this is already the status quo in some first world nations, and they aren't turning into communist dictatorships, nor are the citizens threatening to secede.
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I'm assuming you mean a minimum level or standard of care available to all. That can be achieved under a universal multi-payer system (many nations have one), which we now have the foundations to complete. Single-payer isn't the only way to solve that problem.
 
Re: Paul Ryan Apologizes for Calling Poor People "Takers"

Greenbeard said:
I'm assuming you mean a minimum level or standard of care available to all. That can be achieved under a universal multi-payer system (many nations have one), which we now have the foundations to complete. Single-payer isn't the only way to solve that problem.
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agreed there. single payer is my own preference, but i'd be satisfied if we studied other first world health care systems and took the best parts of each one to make a custom fit solution for the US.
 
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