How the gop elite plan to rob donald trump

humbolt · Mar 20, 2016

cpwill said:
Congratulations, they succeeded. We've had gridlock the last two years.

:lamo you expected the MSM to cooperate? It's not the GOP's fault if you didn't bother to listen to them, dude.

So... The GOP accomplished what you wanted them to, but didn't act like assclowns on television. You demand more assclownery.

What was reported regarding gridlock? Ask yourself if the GOP leadership did all they could to make their positions understandable to the public at large. Politically engaged people understand, but such people make up only a fraction of the voting public. Of course the media will not willingly cooperate. To get their positions properly defined and given wide exposure is one of the jobs of the GOP leadership - you know, the job they can't seem to manage. This isn't a critique of GOP positions held in congress, it's a damnation of their effort to explain it to the public. And that's simply because there was no effort. None. If there was, I didn't see it, and I do pay attention.

polgara · Mar 20, 2016

humbolt said:
What was reported regarding gridlock? Ask yourself if the GOP leadership did all they could to make their positions understandable to the public at large. Politically engaged people understand, but such people make up only a fraction of the voting public. Of course the media will not willingly cooperate. To get their positions properly defined and given wide exposure is one of the jobs of the GOP leadership - you know, the job they can't seem to manage. This isn't a critique of GOP positions held in congress, it's a damnation of their effort to explain it to the public. And that's simply because there was no effort. None. If there was, I didn't see it, and I do pay attention.

Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

:agree: The party seems to be concentrating more on internal squabbling than anything else, and the MSM is gleefully reporting every negative they can use to make sure everyone knows it. In the recent past, we have read about Cantor losing his seat in Congress; Boehner resigning for the supposed good of the party; and the Tea Party, which is just a small but very vocal part of the House creating division, but you'd think that's all that is important for the MSM to cover regarding the GOP! There are divisions in the Democrat party, too, but you rarely, if ever, hear about those!

On the other hand, Reid left a huge backlog of bills, from both parties, that he refused to bring up for a vote, and we heard very little from the MSM on that, even though it affected millions of Americans! McConnell, to his credit, tackled that mess as one of his first priorities and handled it, but got very little favorable press coverage for his efforts. Why isn't the party speaking up for themselves to counteract all the negative press? Hillary is getting all the favorable press coverage she needs, even with her negatives.

Now we have the Trump issue, which few GOP leaders expected to get as serious as it has become, and from what I have read are considering a contested convention to block him from getting the nomination. I don't understand what's going on, but is disregarding millions of voters really the best way to handle this? What are their priorities? I don't mean to question what they're doing - but in reality I guess I am - so I am going to point out that they're all attorneys for crying out loud, so why aren't they acting like it instead of being made to look like they're a bunch of inept kindergarteners playing checkers against chess players! If we're to become a one-party government, this would be one way to accomplish that, IMO! The "one-world governmenters" win - America loses! :thumbdown:

:rantoff:

bubbabgone · Mar 20, 2016

humbolt said:
What was reported regarding gridlock? Ask yourself if the GOP leadership did all they could to make their positions understandable to the public at large. Politically engaged people understand, but such people make up only a fraction of the voting public. Of course the media will not willingly cooperate. To get their positions properly defined and given wide exposure is one of the jobs of the GOP leadership - you know, the job they can't seem to manage. This isn't a critique of GOP positions held in congress, it's a damnation of their effort to explain it to the public. And that's simply because there was no effort. None. If there was, I didn't see it, and I do pay attention.

Absolutely right.
The GOP is deathly afraid of the media.
When they're not avoiding the media, they're trying to get the media to say "Sure he's a Republican but he's one of the good ones."
Meaning, he tried to sound like a Democrat.
There's no reason they can't get themselves in front of cameras to explain their positions.
And why do they love ripping someone like Ted Cruz every chance they get but such candor regarding utterly nasty colleagues such as Harry Reid can't be heard.

bubbabgone · Mar 20, 2016

polgara said:
Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

:agree: The party seems to be concentrating more on internal squabbling than anything else, and the MSM is gleefully reporting every negative they can use to make sure everyone knows it. In the recent past, we have read about Cantor losing his seat in Congress; Boehner resigning for the supposed good of the party; and the Tea Party, which is just a small but very vocal part of the House creating division, but you'd think that's all that is important for the MSM to cover regarding the GOP! There are divisions in the Democrat party, too, but you rarely, if ever, hear about those!

On the other hand, Reid left a huge backlog of bills, from both parties, that he refused to bring up for a vote, and we heard very little from the MSM on that, even though it affected millions of Americans! McConnell, to his credit, tackled that mess as one of his first priorities and handled it, but got very little favorable press coverage for his efforts. Why isn't the party speaking up for themselves to counteract all the negative press? Hillary is getting all the favorable press coverage she needs, even with her negatives.

Now we have the Trump issue, which few GOP leaders expected to get as serious as it has become, and from what I have read are considering a contested convention to block him from getting the nomination. I don't understand what's going on, but is disregarding millions of voters really the best way to handle this? What are their priorities? I don't mean to question what they're doing - but in reality I guess I am - so I am going to point out that they're all attorneys for crying out loud, so why aren't they acting like it instead of being made to look like they're a bunch of inept kindergarteners playing checkers against chess players! If we're to become a one-party government, this would be one way to accomplish that, IMO! The "one-world governmenters" win - America loses! :thumbdown:

:rantoff:

At first glance I thought that emoji said PANTS ON OFF and I must say I was shocked, Miss Polgara.

humbolt · Mar 20, 2016

bubbabgone said:
Absolutely right.
The GOP is deathly afraid of the media.
When they're not avoiding the media, they're trying to get the media to say "Sure he's a Republican but he's one of the good ones."
Meaning, he tried to sound like a Democrat.
There's no reason they can't get themselves in front of cameras to explain their positions.
And why do they love ripping someone like Ted Cruz every chance they get but such candor regarding utterly nasty colleagues such as Harry Reid can't be heard.

The weird thing is that Trump seems to be able to be understood even though he has no particular positions at all on a host of topics. I know, I know - it's dog whistles and the Trump decoder ring. Must be.

polgara · Mar 20, 2016

bubbabgone said:
At first glance I thought that emoji said PANTS ON OFF and I must say I was shocked, Miss Polgara.

Moi? Nimmer! I'm one of those conventional conservatives the opposition is always touting as being out of touch! Maybe they're right! :shock: .. :lamo:

cpwill · Mar 20, 2016

humbolt said:
What was reported regarding gridlock?

Uh, the gridlock? Usually blamed by the MSM on recalcitrant Republicans, especially those uncontrollable Freedom Caucus/Tea Party "hard-right" conservative types who weren't letting "anything" be done "because they didn't understand compromise", etc. Have you really not heard the chants of " Party of No"?

Ask yourself if the GOP leadership did all they could to make their positions understandable to the public at large.

1. Not really. Leadership has regularly been on TV and given press conferences, and speeches, and YouTube videos, etc, explaining their position.

2. You don't increase this with Trump, because Trump isn't able to explain his positions, or make them understandable. I don't have a TV, so I have to read this stuff. Go read his answers. Read his replies. Ask yourself if there is any plan in there.

Politically engaged people understand, but such people make up only a fraction of the voting public. Of course the media will not willingly cooperate. To get their positions properly defined and given wide exposure is one of the jobs of the GOP leadership - you know, the job they can't seem to manage. This isn't a critique of GOP positions held in congress, it's a damnation of their effort to explain it to the public. And that's simply because there was no effort. None. If there was, I didn't see it, and I do pay attention.

Evidently you do not, at least not much more than the average politically interested person. Trump gets massive airtime because he acts like an assclown, and because he fits all the stereotypes that MSM wants to believe and spread about Republicans.

If you want to complain that Republicans haven't been saving about assclowns enough, or making sexist or semiracist statements enough, to get on TV and trash their public image (and Trumps image is trashed with the general public - go check with Gallup), then you are free to do so. I am happy to identify that as a basic point of contention between me and anyone who holds to it.

humbolt · Mar 20, 2016

cpwill said:
Uh, the gridlock? Usually blamed by the MSM on recalcitrant Republicans, especially those uncontrollable Freedom Caucus/Tea Party "hard-right" conservative types who weren't letting "anything" be done "because they didn't understand compromise", etc. Have you really not heard the chants of " Party of No"?

And the GOP response was crickets.

1. Not really. Leadership has regularly been on TV and given press conferences, and speeches, and YouTube videos, etc, explaining their position.

Uh huh. I opted for the more exciting event - watching paint dry.

2. You don't increase this with Trump, because Trump isn't able to explain his positions, or make them understandable. I don't have a TV, so I have to read this stuff. Go read his answers. Read his replies. Ask yourself if there is any plan in there.

Ya know, if you don't have a TV, then it's hard to imagine that you've been watching all the GOP responses you mentioned above. I don't blame you at all for not having a TV though. I've considered removing mine quite a few times myself. However, I have no love for Trump. I'm not a fan.

Evidently you do not, at least not much more than the average politically interested person. Trump gets massive airtime because he acts like an assclown, and because he fits all the stereotypes that MSM wants to believe and spread about Republicans.

Yeah, whatever. I agree Trump's an ass. As it stands at this moment, we will have a choice between an ass and a criminal from our two major parties. It's not inspiring.

If you want to complain that Republicans haven't been saving about assclowns enough, or making sexist or semiracist statements enough, to get on TV and trash their public image (and Trumps image is trashed with the general public - go check with Gallup), then you are free to do so. I am happy to identify that as a basic point of contention between me and anyone who holds to it.

I get that you don't like Trump. You only have a 100 posts or so trashing him. I've seen the polls. I'm not about to get all worked up over it. I'll watch events, and I'll make my decisions based on what I see, hear, and read. I'm not a republican, and any affection I might have had for the GOP has been severely diminished by their lackluster congressional performance. They have a huge hole where their legislative imagination should reside. I won't be surprised if they roll over on Obama's SC nomination, either. That seems consistent with their Senate character.

cpwill · Mar 21, 2016

humbolt said:
And the GOP response was crickets.

Dude. Look at your very next point.

Uh huh. I opted for the more exciting event - watching paint dry.

You don't even know, because you interested enough to find out. Because the MSM didn't lead with wall-to-wall coverage, you assumed they'd covered down on everything, and you were too lazy to do any searching. You aren't convicting the GOP here - you are convicting yourself.

Ya know, if you don't have a TV, then it's hard to imagine that you've been watching all the GOP responses you mentioned above.

The good clips usually end up on Youtube, or internet media. But yeah, we haven't had TV in our house (that's been hooked up to anything other than a DVD player or Xbox) in about.... 5-6 years, now.

I don't blame you at all for not having a TV though. I've considered removing mine quite a few times myself.

It's nice. I've gotten too much into Twitter, but I need to quit so I can go back to reading.

Yeah, whatever. I agree Trump's an ass. As it stands at this moment, we will have a choice between an ass and a criminal from our two major parties. It's not inspiring.

We'll see who comes out with the nomination. If it's the Fascist and the Felon, I'll vote third party.

I get that you don't like Trump. You only have a 100 posts or so trashing him. I've seen the polls. I'm not about to get all worked up over it. I'll watch events, and I'll make my decisions based on what I see, hear, and read. I'm not a republican, and any affection I might have had for the GOP has been severely diminished by their lackluster congressional performance. They have a huge hole where their legislative imagination should reside.

They don't, actually. And, again, if you'd bother to look, you'd see that. Take a look at Paul Ryan's agenda on reforming public welfare, for example, or the entitlements.

I won't be surprised if they roll over on Obama's SC nomination, either. That seems consistent with their Senate character.

McConnel seems to be holding the line pretty well there, actually. Though it may give us a Hillary nom, it just means that we end up exactly where we already would be.

SHOOTER · Mar 21, 2016

kinda like fox and msnbc,come on man.

run don run

humbolt · Mar 21, 2016

cpwill said:
Dude. Look at your very next point.

You don't even know, because you interested enough to find out. Because the MSM didn't lead with wall-to-wall coverage, you assumed they'd covered down on everything, and you were too lazy to do any searching. You aren't convicting the GOP here - you are convicting yourself.

The good clips usually end up on Youtube, or internet media. But yeah, we haven't had TV in our house (that's been hooked up to anything other than a DVD player or Xbox) in about.... 5-6 years, now.

It's nice. I've gotten too much into Twitter, but I need to quit so I can go back to reading.

We'll see who comes out with the nomination. If it's the Fascist and the Felon, I'll vote third party.

They don't, actually. And, again, if you'd bother to look, you'd see that. Take a look at Paul Ryan's agenda on reforming public welfare, for example, or the entitlements.

McConnel seems to be holding the line pretty well there, actually. Though it may give us a Hillary nom, it just means that we end up exactly where we already would be.

I'm not going through this point by point. You and I agree far more often than not. There's a huge difference between televising a statement and actually focusing on the content of that statement for more than just the statement itself. The GOP lacks the media savvy to understand that if a point or position is worth making, you'll have to make it again and again and again, and you'll have to do so on national media for an extended period and with mass coverage. They don't. They believe that once having made some statement or after having articulated a position, that's the end of it, and the media is all too happy to accomodate them. This is not solely my perception. It has been mentioned too frequently and at great length by many who observe such things as a profession.

With regard to the SC nomination, McConnell has been holding the line. I question the advisability of making such a statement public, but it's his show and as much as I have reservations about some Senate actions with Mitch at the helm, I hope he'll be able to back his statement up. As you say, the outcome is moot if Hillary wins. The whole thing is more of a thumb in the eye of Obama than anything else, and I think Obama richly deserves that.

And no, I don't live and breathe this stuff. I have other things I prefer to spend my time pursuing. Politics is one of my interests - not the only one, and by far not the most important one.

cpwill · Mar 21, 2016

humbolt said:
I'm not going through this point by point. You and I agree far more often than not. There's a huge difference between televising a statement and actually focusing on the content of that statement for more than just the statement itself. The GOP lacks the media savvy to understand that if a point or position is worth making, you'll have to make it again and again and again, and you'll have to do so on national media for an extended period and with mass coverage. They don't. They believe that once having made some statement or after having articulated a position, that's the end of it, and the media is all too happy to accomodate them. This is not solely my perception. It has been mentioned too frequently and at great length by many who observe such things as a profession.

:shrug: Respectfully, I think you are incorrect, and are mistaking the Great Megaphone that Donald Trump has for what the MSM is willing to give the GOP. Trump gets $2Bn because he's willing to act alike an assclown, which = ratings. I'm fine if my political leadership sacrifices not acting like an assclown in return for me having to pay attention if I want to know what they said.

With regard to the SC nomination, McConnell has been holding the line. I question the advisability of making such a statement public, but it's his show and as much as I have reservations about some Senate actions with Mitch at the helm, I hope he'll be able to back his statement up. As you say, the outcome is moot if Hillary wins. The whole thing is more of a thumb in the eye of Obama than anything else, and I think Obama richly deserves that.

Indeed he does. President Pen And Phone has precisely zero moral standing to complain that the Legislature is exercising its power under the Constitution to its fullest. The immediate declaration that no one would get through was, I think, not a message to the general populace, but to the base, which doesn't trust the leadership (and, in McConnels' case, doesn't trust the Leadership for Good Damn Reason). Anything less, I think, and he would have risked pouring fuel on the fire of the revolt.

And no, I don't live and breathe this stuff. I have other things I prefer to spend my time pursuing. Politics is one of my interests - not the only one, and by far not the most important one.

And that is as it should be - another of the key Conservative insights is that politics shouldn't be as important as our Burkean platoons. The fact that it even matters this much who the President is is an indictment of our system, as currently structured.

Lethargic Aptitude · Mar 26, 2016

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imyoda · Mar 27, 2016

Do the GOP elite plan to rob Trump by going bankrupt on him?

How the gop elite plan to rob donald trump

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