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Trump Super Tuesday, the media, and reality.

upsideguy said:
Secretary of State is not a run-of-the-mill political appointee. Its one the most important positions in Washington. In fact, it requires an act of congress (Senate hearing and approval) to attain the position.

And, yes, an NFL coach, no matter what the record, has the credential (and more importantly, the experience) as an NFL coach. You can not deny the credential or experience... you can deny the quality of the experience, as you have here, but its ot the same as denying the fact.

Again, you need to learn to be clear in your objection: you don't think she did a good job (your opinion), but she does have the unique experience of having been a Secr of State (as well as US Senator and First Lady). Again, one of the most credentialed people ever to run for office (George Bush I, also being an exceptionally credentialed candidate)
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Even if you were appointed as Sec of State with the BEST of 'credentials', your miserable failure at the position is what would be judged. It is beyond laughable that you are making the claim that she is qualified because even though she did a bad job and did nothing as a senator, at least she held those positions.

Come on, man...are you even reading what you are writing/ Are you that deep in the bag for those people? Sweeet baby geeeeeeeeezus.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The establishment is wonderful in Mr. Trump's eyes when they are approving his wishes to expropriate land for his latest development or altering zoning regulation to meet his desires. Immigrants are wonderful in Mr. Trump's eyes when they are laboring on his behalf at significantly lower wages than native born Americans. The media is wonderful in Mr. Trump's eyes when they're pimping his ego and pandering to his every whim.
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Don't hate the player, hate THE GAME..

THE GAME's rules that are set up and made by the corrupt politicians..
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
To me it's quite amazing how stupid the media, pundit class are, as well as the establishment republicans


Trump is popular because he's seen as anti-establishment, anti-illegal immigration, pro american jobs, and is seen as giving the business to the political class establishment and thier media lackeys.... This is what the common American wants, they are tired of the political class and trump is playing into it, the media is playing into trumps hands.

This is demonstrated everytime trump says something outrageous or the media play's "gotcha" with him, his polls go up.


You folks don't realize, he's going to win the presidency by a landslide. the media is under reporting his turnout, attendance at his rally's, and his staggering rise in support despite all attempts to smear the guy. It should be clear to you all he's a juggernaut and really I don't see at this point how he's stopped.

I've said for a long time, the republicans would do much better if they focused on securing the borders, bringing jobs home, and downplaying all the social conservative garbage.... he's doing that. that alone would get any of the candidates out front but his name recognition and celebrity is bringing even more to the table for him.


Some facts, barely being reported that should tell you all is lost:


2008: 8.56 million Democrats voted in 11 Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses.
2016: 5.8 million Democrats voted in 11 Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses.


2008: 5.1 Million repulicans voted super tuesday
2016: 8.2 million Republicans voted super tuesday



The cheering for obama was covered nationally where every one of his rally's were stacked with cries of media swooning about "10,000 people attending". fast forward today, Trump is doing the same, and this same media is more concerned with labeling him a racist, and not reporting in the same visceral joy if at all, his supporter turnout.

The writing is on the wall....


For good or for bad, prepare yourselves folks.
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Are you saying there's no tingling up the leg for Democrats this time?
 
American said:
Are you saying there's no tingling up the leg for Democrats this time?
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Voter turnout is 30-40% down and Bernie fans are pretty vocal in their upset over both Hillary and the establishment. For the life of me the only reason I can think of that anyone would support Hillary is all the care about is a D next to the name of the next President. So...yeah...no tingles.

But is pretty telling that the only guy getting tingles from anyone is Trump.

What a weird election.
 
I just don't understand why the GOP establishment is so hardcore against Trump.

Donald Trump’s Supreme Court Nominees | Above the Law
In fact, Trump was the first candidate to name potential Supreme Court nominees in the February 13, 2016 debate that took place on the night of Justice Antonin Scalia’s passing. On that day, Donald Trump said: “We could have a Diane Sykes or a Bill Pryor.” A perusal of these two potential nominees’ records reveals two conservative textualists who would make for excellent Scalia replacements.
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Now, I don't necessarily agree with these choices, but would the GOP actually prefer people that Hillary or Bernie might choose? If for nothing else then think of the judges! The behavior of the GOP establishment goes beyond "cut off the nose to spite the face". This is the GOP literally trying to align themselves with the "enemy" because someone doesn't march lockstep with their beliefs.

Have they or have they not been whining about illegal immigration and sanctuary cities? Have they are have they not been whining about chinese currency manipulation? Have they or have they not been whining about Obama being weak against ISIS? The establishment's behavior and attempts to undermine the voters is beyond reprehensible. Trump is literally giving them most of what they have been talking about. This just shows taht the establishment has been nothing but talk and Trump will be action.
 
upsideguy said:
You can not like her or you can say she did not do a very good job, but you can not challenge the face value of her resume. We have never had had someone run president with her resume/credentials. She was a Secretary of State, a US Senator AND lived in the White House for eight years.

When you are attacking the quality of her work, you are acknowledging the breadth of her resume (agreeing with my assertion).
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She was a Secretary of State - and a lot of people think she did a horrible job at it.
a US Senator - I'm still wondering how since she didn't really live in NY how they allowed her to even run for that. nothing memorable accomplished there either though.
AND lived in the White House for eight years. - so living in the white house is an accomplishment now? well there have been white house staff that have prob lived there for decades maybe they should be running.
 
VanceMack said:
Even if you were appointed as Sec of State with the BEST of 'credentials', your miserable failure at the position is what would be judged. It is beyond laughable that you are making the claim that she is qualified because even though she did a bad job and did nothing as a senator, at least she held those positions.

Come on, man...are you even reading what you are writing/ Are you that deep in the bag for those people? Sweeet baby geeeeeeeeezus.
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SocialD said:
She was a Secretary of State - and a lot of people think she did a horrible job at it.
a US Senator - I'm still wondering how since she didn't really live in NY how they allowed her to even run for that. nothing memorable accomplished there either though.
AND lived in the White House for eight years. - so living in the white house is an accomplishment now? well there have been white house staff that have prob lived there for decades maybe they should be running.
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In debate, you first attempt to deny the fact. When you can not deny the fact, you deny the quality of the fact.

You can not deny the fact that Hilary Clinton has experience as a First Lady, US Senator and Secretary of State. These things are a matter of record and verifiable. What you are doing is denying the quality of the fact. I am merely trying to make you understand the difference. Hilary Clinton has one of the best resumes of anyone running for President. While that is arguable, its reasonably easy to support as a resume is a collection of jobs held. It is factual. A resume is not scored. It has no subjective element to it.

Now given the facts are not in your favor, your next best argument is to deny the quality of the facts. It is your opinion that she was not good at the job. Your opinion is duly noted.

Where denial of fact is a matter of fact; denial of quality is usually much more subjective, and thus a weaker argument. While we all appreciate your view that Hilary was not a particularly good Secretary of State, there are many that would not agree with you.

You keep trying to answer my factual argument with a quality argument. You are doing so because you can not deny the fact. Your argument is "yes, but..." No problem, I am only trying to get you to say "yes". The reason that is important is that my point is that she has one of the best resumes (experience) of anyone that has ever run for the White House.

I am sorry you don't understand the distinction between denial of fact and denial of quality.
 
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VanceMack said:
Voter turnout is 30-40% down and Bernie fans are pretty vocal in their upset over both Hillary and the establishment. For the life of me the only reason I can think of that anyone would support Hillary is all the care about is a D next to the name of the next President. So...yeah...no tingles.

But is pretty telling that the only guy getting tingles from anyone is Trump.

What a weird election.
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Hillary Rodham Clinton stinks to high heaven, as one of the most corrupt presidential candidates in history. Every leftwinger with any integrity is putting a c-clamp on their nose before entering the voting booth.
 
upsideguy said:
In debate, you first attempt to deny the fact. When you can not deny the fact, you deny the quality of the fact.

You can not deny the fact that Hilary Clinton has experience as a First Lady, US Senator and Secretary of State. These things are a matter of record and verifiable. What you are doing is denying the quality of the fact. I am merely trying to make you understand the difference. Hilary Clinton has one of the best resumes of anyone running for President. While that is arguable, its reasonably easy to support as a resume is a collection of jobs held. It is factual. A resume is not scored. It has no subjective element to it.

Now given the facts are not in your favor, your next best argument is to deny the quality of the facts. It is your opinion that she was not good at the job. Your opinion is duly noted.

Where denial of fact is a matter of fact; denial of quality is usually much more subjective, and thus a weaker argument. While we all appreciate your view that Hilary was not a particularly good Secretary of State, there are many that would not agree with you.

You keep trying to answer my factual argument with a quality argument. You are doing so because you can not deny the fact. Your argument is "yes, but..." No problem, I am only trying to get you to say "yes". The reason that is important is that my point is that she has one of the best resumes (experience) of anyone that has ever run for the White House.

I am sorry you don't understand the distinction between denial of fact and denial of quality.
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Please list hillary's accomplishments at any of those three positions.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Here's what you are not considering, you can be very right about "stop the trump" contingent, but what is thier alternative? Hillary? Do you really think sanders supporters who were pretty bunch burned by the democrat political elite are going to run to vote at all?

The turnout is a harbinger for the election. I don't see bitter sanders supporters running to hillary in droves. I think like republicans the last 2 elections they sit home.


Do you think the "stop trump" contingent is bigger or smaller than the "stop obama" contingent?
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I'd say the stop trump contingent is bigger than the stop Obama contingent.

Way bigger.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Please list hillary's accomplishments at any of those three positions.
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1. Her role in getting Osama Bin Laden
She managed to navigate the arab spring pretty well. We did not get embroiled in another unwinnable war with troops on the ground.. as before.
She managed to get Iran to the table and to help the moderates in Iran push the extremist regime to some semblance of moderation.
She managed to get other countries to foot more of the bill with dealing with terrorist and extremist groups rather than the US going it alone and footing the bill.
Getting a 50% increase in exports into China.

As first lady she worked with Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch in setting up Schip program for children.

As senator she authored the Pediatric Research Equity Act.. which requires pharma companies to study the effects of their products in children. Its responsible for improving the labeling of safety and dosing information for children on medication.
 
jaeger19 said:
1. Her role in getting Osama Bin Laden
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Which was??????? lol she maybe said "go"?

She managed to navigate the arab spring pretty well.
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are you ****ing kidding me? the arab spring which they touted as a wonderful thing, and we bombed the **** out of lybia over basically did the heavy lifting for ISIS.

We did not get embroiled in another unwinnable war with troops on the ground.. as before.
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???? so she didn't do anything? that's an accomplishment to you?


She managed to get Iran to the table and to help the moderates in Iran push the extremist regime to some semblance of moderation.
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seriously are you just cutting and pasting from her website? :lol:



She managed to get other countries to foot more of the bill with dealing with terrorist and extremist groups rather than the US going it alone and footing the bill.
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Like who? and by what percent?


She also wants a war with russia.



Getting a 50% increase in exports into China.
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what?


As first lady she worked with Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch in setting up Schip program for children.
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Clinton role in health program disputed - The Boston Globe



As senator she authored the Pediatric Research Equity Act.. which requires pharma companies to study the effects of their products in children. Its responsible for improving the labeling of safety and dosing information for children on medication.
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She authored?

Authored?


she signed her name to it. woooooow
 
jaeger19 said:
1. Her role in getting Osama Bin Laden
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So she served Barack Obama coffee when he issued the order.
jaeger19 said:
She managed to navigate the arab spring pretty well. We did not get embroiled in another unwinnable war with troops on the ground.. as before.
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She destabalized Libya and not only aided the terrorists resistance but it's likely they were provided with actual weapons and supplies. And when Libya was being attacked her method was to "play it by ear" because she did not develop a comprehensive strategy to prevent an Iraq style insurgency once Gaddafi was gone. She supports arming "moderate rebels" in Syria. Somehow ISIS is getting a great deal of that equipment and it's already been shown that the "moderate rebels" are sympathetic to ISIS. Lastly Tunisia, where the Arab Spring started, had 0 influence from Hillary and it's the only Arab Spring Nation that's stable right now. This shows that she actually has a destabalizing influence by her actions.
jaeger19 said:
She managed to get Iran to the table and to help the moderates in Iran push the extremist regime to some semblance of moderation.
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Iran has always been "moderate". Iran had conservative reactionary responses to unnecessary Republican Saber-rattling and it was Obama who talked up talking to the Iranians.
jaeger19 said:
She managed to get other countries to foot more of the bill with dealing with terrorist and extremist groups rather than the US going it alone and footing the bill.
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The U.S. has been footing the bill for fighting in Syria. France only got invovled when Paris got bombed and Putin got involved because Hillary's incompetent management of they situation was causing things to deteriorate. So I guess screwing things up so badly that other people have to pick up the mess does include "getting other countries to foot the bill".

jaeger19 said:
Getting a 50% increase in exports into China.
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No she didn't.

jaeger19 said:
As first lady she worked with Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch in setting up Schip program for children.
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So she's was just riding the coattails to the work of what other people have done.

jaeger19 said:
As senator she authored the Pediatric Research Equity Act.. which requires pharma companies to study the effects of their products in children. Its responsible for improving the labeling of safety and dosing information for children on medication.
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No. She put her name on it and someone else actually wrote it.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
To me it's quite amazing how stupid the media, pundit class are, as well as the establishment republicans


Trump is popular because he's seen as anti-establishment, anti-illegal immigration, pro american jobs, and is seen as giving the business to the political class establishment and thier media lackeys.... This is what the common American wants, they are tired of the political class and trump is playing into it, the media is playing into trumps hands.

This is demonstrated everytime trump says something outrageous or the media play's "gotcha" with him, his polls go up.


You folks don't realize, he's going to win the presidency by a landslide. the media is under reporting his turnout, attendance at his rally's, and his staggering rise in support despite all attempts to smear the guy. It should be clear to you all he's a juggernaut and really I don't see at this point how he's stopped.

I've said for a long time, the republicans would do much better if they focused on securing the borders, bringing jobs home, and downplaying all the social conservative garbage.... he's doing that. that alone would get any of the candidates out front but his name recognition and celebrity is bringing even more to the table for him.


Some facts, barely being reported that should tell you all is lost:


2008: 8.56 million Democrats voted in 11 Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses.
2016: 5.8 million Democrats voted in 11 Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses.


2008: 5.1 Million repulicans voted super tuesday
2016: 8.2 million Republicans voted super tuesday



The cheering for obama was covered nationally where every one of his rally's were stacked with cries of media swooning about "10,000 people attending". fast forward today, Trump is doing the same, and this same media is more concerned with labeling him a racist, and not reporting in the same visceral joy if at all, his supporter turnout.

The writing is on the wall....
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One notable difference...McCain secured the nomination on super Tuesday....whereas Trump is still a far cry from winning a majority of delegates and the other three candidates haven't dropped out. Trump is the one energizing the GOP base...for now. But will it last the more he lowers himself into the sewer? Choosing a far right radical like Palin for his running mate really fired up the GOP base just like Trump is doing, but it didn't help McCain win the general election. So the question is, if Trump doesn't win the nomination will the right show up to vote?
 
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