I'm a Republican and I don't like Trump

ModerateGOP said:

I uttered these words, "I don't like Trump," to a couple of co-workers and they automatically assumed I was a Democrat. NOTE: I do IT Administration for a large religious charity so it's a pretty conservative organization. This is what it's come down to. WTF?! Does the base even recognize other people are running? Not to the general public. I think Trump has broken politics. Trump has got the angry poor working class wrapped around his old, pudgy fingers. This is the end result of the GOP Civil War. All the RINO name-calling combined with the faction of NO. Of which we more moderate/establishment Republicans have been dealing with for the past 8 years. It has all come down to this... I was having a similar discussion with FT over on the John Kasich thread about it and he summed it up pretty well too:

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Smartest assessment I have heard is that Trump voters are neither programmatic nor ideological. They are attitudinal. That's why he can say whatever he wants. The words don't matter, only the music.

Btw, I think many Sanders voters are also attitudinal on the Dem side.

Unitedwestand13 said:

I don't care if he ran, the man is simply unlikeable.

He is brash, loud, abrasive, with no sense of tact.

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When I hire a person to do a job, likable is about third on the list. The ability to get the job done is first.

jimbo said:

When I hire a person to do a job, likable is about third on the list. The ability to get the job done is first.

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And being likeable affects how effectively you can work with other people to get the job done. A soccer team cannot win a game of the players fight amongst themselves.

Unitedwestand13 said:

And being likeable affects how effectively you can work with other people to get the job done. A soccer team cannot win a game of the players fight amongst themselves.

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A soccer team requires a good coach not necessarily a likable coach.

I suspect you have no intentions of voting for any R, instead choosing to vote for that other likable on the D side.

At this point...I think most voters suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

The Establishment democrats and republicans keep abusing them term after term after term, yet the suckers turn around and swear allegiance to them over and over.

WCH said:

Not going to say that. Trump, by his own admission, has dealt with politicians and world business leaders on a regular basis.

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By his own admission? You mean his own touting of bull****.

Unitedwestand13 said:

Obama was a senator.

Trump has no political office to his record.

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He was a senator for one term. That isn't what one would call a lot of experience. I am not voting for Trump int he primaries so I could care less.

NonoBadDog said:

He was a senator for one term. That isn't what one would call a lot of experience. I am not voting for Trump int he primaries so I could care less.

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Would you be crossing over to the dark side to create havoc as I do here in IL?
Meaning you would have had to re-register as a DEM by Jan. 4th, 2016 .

jimbo said:

A soccer team requires a good coach not necessarily a likable coach.

I suspect you have no intentions of voting for any R, instead choosing to vote for that other likable on the D side.

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Then you discount how many DEMs and INDYs are voting for Trump.
Look at the huge increase in GOP voter totals accompanied by a huge decrease in DEM voter totals .

NIMBY said:

Would you be crossing over to the dark side to create havoc as I do here in IL?
Meaning you would have had to re-register as a DEM by Jan. 4th, 2016 .

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We can't do that here in Colorado. I am not sure who I am voting for yet in the primaries but it won't be Trump. I am leaning Kasich. I don't trust our Republican delegates enough to leave it to them and cross over. My neighbor is a delegate and he isn't smart enough to keep his truck out of a ditch.

I am a Democrat, and I like Donald Trump. I am very glad that he is in the race. I intend to vote for Bernie Sanders, though.

NIMBY said:

Then you discount how many DEMs and INDYs are voting for Trump.
Look at the huge increase in GOP voter totals accompanied by a huge decrease in DEM voter totals .

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Either I'm misunderstanding you or you are misunderstanding me. I believe Trump appeals to the fed up voters on both sides.

ModerateGOP said:

I uttered these words, "I don't like Trump," to a couple of co-workers and they automatically assumed I was a Democrat. NOTE: I do IT Administration for a large religious charity so it's a pretty conservative organization. This is what it's come down to. WTF?! Does the base even recognize other people are running? Not to the general public. I think Trump has broken politics. Trump has got the angry poor working class wrapped around his old, pudgy fingers. This is the end result of the GOP Civil War. All the RINO name-calling combined with the faction of NO. Of which we more moderate/establishment Republicans have been dealing with for the past 8 years. It has all come down to this... I was having a similar discussion with FT over on the John Kasich thread about it and he summed it up pretty well too:

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Look, man...your party has dug it's own grave.

From pandering to the Tea Party, to proudly being obstructionist at every turn (look at the ACA repeal debacle), to championing awful candidates and causes, please don't act surprised at what shows up in your bed in the morning.

Trump is Unserious.

And that's defined the GOP for the last seven years.

jimbo said:

Either I'm misunderstanding you or you are misunderstanding me. I believe Trump appeals to the fed up voters on both sides.

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You are correct about what I bolded.
DEMs haven't got a clue as to why their voter totals are down in the first four states--Trump.

As for the GOP establishment, everything they do with Trump blows up in their face.
Should be interesting tomorrow night to see if Cruz or Rubio brings up Romney's attack on Trump about his taxes .

NonoBadDog said:

We can't do that here in Colorado. I am not sure who I am voting for yet in the primaries but it won't be Trump. I am leaning Kasich. I don't trust our Republican delegates enough to leave it to them and cross over. My neighbor is a delegate and he isn't smart enough to keep his truck out of a ditch.

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From what I saw on the Green Papers, registration for either party in Colorado ended on January 4th.
Reading about how your caucuses work was as clear as mud .

NIMBY said:

You are correct about what I bolded.
DEMs haven't got a clue as to why their voter totals are down in the first four states--Trump.

As for the GOP establishment, everything they do with Trump blows up in their face.
Should be interesting tomorrow night to see if Cruz or Rubio brings up Romney's attack on Trump about his taxes .

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The establishment is desperate. First the 50 year old student deferments. Didn't stick. Then the Trump boys 10 year old safari, complete with pictures of dead cuddly animals. Nobody cared. Now Romney with an undefined sumthin' in the taxes. Not that either. Trump probably gets audited each year. Next? Who knows. He overfills his hot tub?

The D's are not yet attacking Trump because there is no need. When it becomes a 1 on 1 race, then out come the attacks. D's will lose that one too.

NIMBY said:

From what I saw on the Green Papers, registration for either party in Colorado ended on January 4th.
Reading about how your caucuses work was as clear as mud .

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All I know is I show up at the village fire house and stand around for a long time. I get to see some neighbors that I haven't seen in a long time, drink coffee and stand in line to use the bathroom.

Threegoofs said:

Look, man...your party has dug it's own grave.

From pandering to the Tea Party, to proudly being obstructionist at every turn (look at the ACA repeal debacle), to championing awful candidates and causes, please don't act surprised at what shows up in your bed in the morning.

Trump is Unserious.

And that's defined the GOP for the last seven years.

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The same can be said of your party. An unconvicted felon career politician with no accomplishments other than staying out of jail. Or a self described socialist who has been around for too many years that till now nobody had heard of.

I would agree with you, even as I don't want to believe there is no on from the House or the Senate that is a great candidate.
I mean, I want to support bernie, because I really believe in him, as a man and a senator. He has convictions and he doesn't back down from them. In a washington capital hill kind of way. I really #feelthebern for Sanders, he is a great senator he just doesn't get it. He thinks that the FED can fix it federally... but they can't. The federal Government is a mess. He wants to start another education program? Um, bae... the program the gov has already is a mess. No new programs until the old ones are cleaned up. And Btw. We don't need to raise taxes, the government has 21% of the GDP. If we are running out of money I bet I could fix it with better accountants, a strict bacon hatin policy and some basic paying attention to military and discretionary spending.
I love the idea of universal healthcare, but Congress can't dismantle an entire industry because it is expensive. They also cannot force people to pay a private company for what they do not wish to buy, That is extortion. The whole thing is a mess. The first place to start is not raising taxes. Start with something simple. find the 3 trillion the pentagon lost.

Hilary has every one freaking out about her being a liar and I am just chillin like... Um... guys? She is a politician. Calling a politician a liar is like calling a salmon a fish. Yeah, we know that salmon is a fish! All salmon are fish. think the real problem is that she has lost the will. She has been crushed in the big man boys club that is capital hill. I have seen the look she has in her eyes, it's done. She isn't in this. She is just here. She will never be the first lady Pres

I would agree with you, even as I don't want to believe there is no on from the House or the Senate that is a great candidate.
I mean, I want to support bernie, because I really believe in him, as a man and a senator. He has convictions and he doesn't back down from them. In a washington capital hill kind of way. I really #feelthebern for Sanders, he is a great senator he just doesn't get it. He thinks that the FED can fix it federally... but they can't. The federal Government is a mess. He wants to start another education program? Um, bae... the program the gov has already is a mess. No new programs until the old ones are cleaned up. And Btw. We don't need to raise taxes, the government has 21% of the GDP. If we are running out of money I bet I could fix it with better accountants, a strict bacon hatin policy and some basic paying attention to military and discretionary spending.
I love the idea of universal healthcare, but Congress can't dismantle an entire industry because it is expensive. They also cannot force people to pay a private company for what they do not wish to buy, That is extortion. The whole thing is a mess. The first place to start is not raising taxes. Start with something simple. find the 3 trillion the pentagon lost.

Hilary has every one freaking out about her being a liar and I am just chillin like... Um... guys? She is a politician. Calling a politician a liar is like calling a salmon a fish. Yeah, we know that salmon is a fish! All salmon are fish. think the real problem is that she has lost the will. She has been crushed in the big man boys club that is capital hill. I have seen the look she has in her eyes, it's done. She isn't in this. She is just here. She will never be the first lady Pres

It says something very terrible about our country indeed, that a misogynistic, racist, ego maniacal man proud of his ignorance and intolerance has the support of so many.

As I see it, for a large segment of the population, this race is no longer about who is the best (or better) candidate...but which is the better party...which is the party that either will do the most good for the country...or the party which will do the least harm.

Folks, giving a screwed up bunch like the GOP total control of the government has got to be one of the worst moves anyone has ever proposed for this country.

The GOP hates the idea of governance...and shows almost no aptitude for it. They are "the gang who couldn't shoot straight" of politics...the Keystone Kops of governance.

I am not a Republican...and I don't want Donald Trump as president. (Whether I like him or not is not important.)

I expect the House to remain firmly in Republican hands. I HOPE the Senate remains in their hands also. But I want the presidency to be in the hands of the Democrats...and at this point, I do not care if it is Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, or someone who comes from out of nowhere at a brokered convention.

Unitedwestand13 said:

Trump is not a candidate because he can govern, he is one because he is the embodiment of those who want to sabotage government.

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Better that the citizens sabotage government than to have government sabotaging the citizens.

Chomsky said:

But Mr. Trump is doing reasonably well with the Evangelicals, too!

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For years I've been saying politics is the new religion in the U.S.. I think this election is proving my point. For decades the religious right has been going on and on about the importance of family values, and religion in politics. But when it comes to Obama, the thing about him no one can argue is he's a good husband. and good father, with good family values. But the Evangelicals hate his guts with a passion.

On the other side we have 3 times married Donald Trump, who owns strip clubs and casinos, who swears like a sailor and doesn't know The Bible from an atlas. But the Evangelicals love him.

Anyway except for my very conservative in-laws I know no one who's a Trump fan. But I live in a pretty liberal area, and he's not too popular with libs around here.