Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders can

Re: Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders

Phys251 said:

The polls will remain exactly constant from now until November. Therefore, what they say now is a perfect predictor of how the general election would go. /snark

Do you (plural) think for one second that the militant Right-Wing venom that has largely eluded Sanders up to this point would continue to elude him if he were somehow nominated? You think the elites are gonna just roll over and let the common folks win?

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yeah, if people keep voting for him and the momentum continues, he will win the nomination and the presidency. those are big if's, but it is perfectly possible.

obviously polls change over time. i'm not sure why you even brought that up. the point is that people keep saying he has no chance of winning a general, and yet when most people are asked if they'd vote for him in a general, they say that they would. i mean...i don't understand how you can go from that and then say "he has no chance of winning the general." of course he has a chance.

Re: Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders

Phys251 said:

Yes. The G matters.

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It's ok, if we cut deficit spending and let the private sector take on all of the debt, nothing bad will happen!

Re: Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders

bg85 said:

yeah, if people keep voting for him and the momentum continues, he will win the nomination and the presidency. those are big if's, but it is perfectly possible.

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Realistically I'm not seeing it. Clinton looks to have clear sailing into South Carolina, and if she does well on Super Tuesday, there's a good chance she'll have the nomination all but wrapped up.

Still, I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has been one hell of a wild primary season.

obviously polls change over time. i'm not sure why you even brought that up. the point is that people keep saying he has no chance of winning a general, and yet when most people are asked if they'd vote for him in a general, they say that they would. i mean...i don't understand how you can go from that and then say "he has no chance of winning the general." of course he has a chance.

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You need to understand that Hillary has been reviled by the Right for decades. And now some of the Left is not that far behind--some, not all, but it is there.

My point stands. Notice that I intentionally used the subjunctive tense in my prior post, which, by definition, someone uses when they have reason to believe that there is little to no chance of something coming true.

Re: Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders

Phys251 said:

Realistically I'm not seeing it. Clinton looks to have clear sailing into South Carolina, and if she does well on Super Tuesday, there's a good chance she'll have the nomination all but wrapped up.

Still, I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has been one hell of a wild primary season.



You need to understand that Hillary has been reviled by the Right for decades. And now some of the Left is not that far behind--some, not all, but it is there.

My point stands. Notice that I intentionally used the subjunctive tense in my prior post, which, by definition, someone uses when they have reason to believe that there is little to no chance of something coming true.

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honestly this is mind boggling to me. i don't really know what the subjunctive tense is so i can't speak to that. of course your point stands, as does mine. i just don't see how someone can say he has no chance when national polls have him beating literally every single republican candidate. of course he has a chance. it's obvious. agree to disagree i guess but i'm not sure how else to argue with hard numbers.

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bg85 said:

honestly this is mind boggling to me. i don't really know what the subjunctive tense is so i can't speak to that. of course your point stands, as does mine. i just don't see how someone can say he has no chance when national polls have him beating literally every single republican candidate. of course he has a chance. it's obvious. agree to disagree i guess but i'm not sure how else to argue with hard numbers.

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My mistake--I meant conditional tense.

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iguanaman said:

What a load of crap. The postwar boom was the result of the rise of our great middle class which was created by FDR's policies. We made it here and bought it here with the new found money of rising wages. Europe had nothing to do with it at all. Take a look at this picture. Where is FDR putting his boots?

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There is no shortage of books about things like The German Economic Miracle, or Belgium's almost instantaneous recovery, or France reasserting itself almost immediately upon liberation, England crawling out from under the ashes, the PM giving Brits the gift of the National Health Service, the short and long term effects of The Marshall Plan, and so on.
Interestingly, Germany's share of The Marshall Plan was relatively small, about two billion dollars, in comparison to the rest of Europe, especially when one factors in German reparation payments...no not for WW1, for WW2, thus another offset to Marshall Plan monies. They didn't NEED as much as the rest of the continent because the social-market system they set up was intended to serve and serve forever, to be something Germans could put their faith in that actually worked.
It proved so robust it survives today, through the center-right of Adenauer and the center left of Brandt and on through present times.

So, I think anyone who believes the decimation of EU is responsible for America's postwar economic boom is only fooling themselves, and they probably also believe that Hitler was a socialist liberal too.
Revisionists should be EATEN.